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ryan
03-07-05, 04:49 PM
Hi Folks,

I've been looking for a donar vehicle to start my AK build and have found a Jag of the correct vintage for 500 (taxed and tested). Once I stripped it I will get:-

Front & rear axles
Diff
Gearbox
V5

I will also have the benefit of a couple of months on the road to test gearbox and diff beforehand.

Is it practical to believe I will save money this way rather than buying these items seperately from a Jag spares specialist ?


Thanks

Ryan

Grease Monkey
03-07-05, 05:10 PM
For 500 you're paying for a road going concern.

Most people would pay 150 for something that drives, but will never get an MOT. Sellers happy to get rid of it, you're happy you got a bargain.

500 for something you're just going to break seems quite high.

Dutch Paul
03-07-05, 05:11 PM
Hi Folks,

I've been looking for a donar vehicle to start my AK build and have found a Jag of the correct vintage for 500 (taxed and tested). Once I stripped it I will get:-

Front & rear axles
Diff
Gearbox
V5

I will also have the benefit of a couple of months on the road to test gearbox and diff beforehand.

Is it practical to believe I will save money this way rather than buying these items seperately from a Jag spares specialist ?


Thanks

Ryan


You will save money but if you add up the time it takes to refurbish everything then you will have worked for about 50p/hour :angry: :angry:
Be prepared to get your hands dirty and lose a little blood - it`s all part of the fun :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Dutch Paul
03-07-05, 05:13 PM
For 500 you're paying for a road going concern.

Most people would pay 150 for something that drives, but will never get an MOT. Sellers happy to get rid of it, you're happy you got a bargain.

500 for something you're just going to break seems quite high.

If it has a manual gearbox (and is in good nick) and the diff is ok then IMHO 500 quid isn`t too steep. Tax and test saves paying someone to transport it for you too as you can drive it home(legally)

ryan
03-07-05, 06:28 PM
Has anybody gone down the route of just buying what you need from a breakers, if so what did it all cost and what did you do about obtaining a V5.

I've been quoted 500 for the V5 alone, that's why I thought it might be cheaper to buy a donar and strip it myself.

Thanks

Ryan

Miket
03-07-05, 08:24 PM
Ryan

For 500 you have the complete package and a V5, save you a lot of hassle trailing about looking for bits, but be prepared to spend another 1000 for bits to refurbish.

Might be worth trying Wards to see what they charge for complete refurbed units.

ryan
03-07-05, 08:33 PM
Hi Mike,

The price list I have from Wards quotes 1930 for recon front and rear axle including diff. But then I still have to get a V5 and a gearbox.

Any guesstimates on how much to recon the parts myself ?

Even if I go the Wards route, I imagine it would be on an exchange basis anyway so my donar parts will still be useful.

Ryan

gareth08
03-07-05, 08:39 PM
Ryan,
The current law (so I'm told by local breakers)on scrapping cars is that the breaker MUST fill out a form to say they have the car and it is to be broken up for spares or scrapped.
Whilst there are some who may still sell a V5 most reputable ones wont, so 500 for a Jag and V5 seems reasonable.You may be able to get one cheaper if you look around but I guess that depends on time.
One word of warning though is that the breakers round here WONT take a scrap car WITHOUT a V5 regardless of the reason so you could end up with a shell that you can't get rid of unless you cut it up.Might be worth checking out first.
Gareth

ryan
03-07-05, 08:49 PM
Hi Gareth,

Thanks for the tip, an old jag shell on the drive could cause me a few problems with her indoors.

What's the answer, what did/does everyone else do ?

I'd have thought that buying a donor and using/re-using the parts was the honourable thing to do and in keeping with the intention of the legislation covering such matters.

Ryan

Miket
03-07-05, 08:52 PM
Any guesstimates on how much to recon the parts myself ?Ryan


Ryan as I said, it cost me near on 1000 for all the bits to refurb the axles and brakes, then a lot of time and trouble, mind you I replaced everything with new, even down to the nuts and bolts

Don't even bother trying to refurb your own brake calipers, it works out cheaper to by them exchange, as I found out later.

ryan
03-07-05, 09:00 PM
Hi Mike,

Sorry, I didn't realise that you had gone down this route yourself and were speaking from experience.

Were any special tools required or was it something the average person could accomplish using patience and elbow grease.

Ryan

Miket
03-07-05, 09:27 PM
Patience, elbow grease, Haynes manual and a good breakdown diagram of all the parts, which should be supplied from the suppliers of the bits, I got all my bits from John Gordons Jag Spares Specialists in Accrington Lancs. Tel 01254 398476

Grease Monkey
04-07-05, 07:07 AM
I went down the whole donor car route.

Bought the car for 150, stripped off the front and rear subframes, then gave the local council 17.50 to come and remove the shell, while keeping the actual V5 document. They may well have registered the car as scrapped, but i retained the V5 for the DVLA registration process to prove the bits all came from one car.

Spent another 700 on new stuff from Wards to refurb all the bits.

When i was looking there were LOADs of cars for the 150 mark. (Admittedly mine was an Auto not Manual)

grandadboats
04-07-05, 03:23 PM
There is a guy called Mike who advertises jag axles on ebay. He has many available and for 300 will sell a p/l diff and rear and front suspension together with v5 (pre'73 if needed.)

His No. is 01384 892121
Tony

JonnyT
04-07-05, 03:46 PM
As already said there is no value in reconditioning the brake callipers - if anything I think it might be marginally more expensive (especially if you have to have a piston made as I did). As for the other bits - having done it I think that I would do it again (but would enlist the help of oxy for cutting the car up). However I did know that the dif had just been reconned and I got it for 100.

It was also quite fun - although that is in hind sight as opposed to the time that I was covered in s*** screaming at the rear hubs trying to get them off and cutting away the rear sub assembly. If you are looking to save every penny possible then get the donor (but not for 500), but if time is more precious than money then getting all new parts I think on balance would probably win overall.

Jon

grandadboats
04-07-05, 03:52 PM
A friend of mine has an xjs for sale at about 2/300 once he has sold the no.plate (if he can!).

Tony

Rowie
04-07-05, 05:11 PM
I bought a donor 3.6 XJS for 500, drove it home and ran it for a while, cut it up, kept front and rear axles/gearbox/handbrake/prop/V5, then sold the engine and various other minor parts (lights/interior etc) and got my 500 back.
I too must have spent 700 on reconditioning the Jag stuff plus a lot of time and effort.. plus you can spread the cost. If I did it again, I think buy the complete axles reconditioned from Wards, bolt them onto the chassis in a weekend and save myself about 6/8months graft.
Each to their own I guess...

ryan
04-07-05, 07:34 PM
but if time is more precious than money then getting all new parts I think on balance would probably win overall.

Jon

Hi Jon,

Time is something that I have plenty of at the moment. I'm not currently in a position to spend anymore than 500. My plan is to build my cob slowly but surely.

I hope to have got together enough cash for the chassis by the time I've refurbed the running gear. I suppose I could save my money now and save for a little longer and buy all recon'd parts and the chassis at the same time but I've wanted to build a Cob for so long and never got round to doing anything about it, if I don't make a start somewhere, I'm afraid it'll never happen.

Also, having a new baby in the house, I may find it easier to justify small amounts over a period of time rather than a larger amount all in one go !


Ryan

JonnyT
04-07-05, 09:04 PM
Then doing it yourself is fine. The tips I would have is:

1. (Repeat I know) Don't worry with the callipers - buy recon
2. Don't pay 500 for the donor - it is too much in my view
3. Ask people on here what paint to use on the bits - I used some stuff from Halfords (usual story - too busy in the week and then want to get on - Halfords open on Sunday!!) especially if they will be sitting around for a bit - but remember colour is important - it must coordinate with the body!!!!
4. Not sure about this but a lot of people don't bother with the splash shields behind the discs - about 400 for a set.
5. If you can get hold of oxy for the break up it will be a lot easier.
6. Keep all the bits in the hubs together - there are shims in there which are a pain to re-set (end float) if you lose them.

That's all I can think of for now but I am sure that there is more!!

Jon

ryan
04-07-05, 09:41 PM
Hi Jon

Thanks for the tips.

My thoughts behind the 500 donor was that I could effectively "test drive" the gearbox and diff. If they show signs of extreme wear, at least I know what I'm letting myself in for and I have the option to recon or just sell the car on again.
My worry is that if I go for a gearbox and diff with unknown history/faults I'll get as far as putting the engine in before finding out that it's no good and the whole lot will have to come out again.

Being roadworthy also means that I can drive it home rather than having it picked up and delivered.

I'm new to this so if I'm a little misguided, please don't hesitate to tell me so.

Thanks

Ryan

Miket
04-07-05, 09:49 PM
Ryan

Is it a manual, if it is, it is well worth 500, you can use the gearbox or sell it for approx 350

ryan
04-07-05, 09:51 PM
Hi Mike,

Yes, it's a manual.

Ryan

Miket
04-07-05, 09:55 PM
Get it bought mate, gearbox and diff are worth well in excess of 500

Clarkson
04-07-05, 09:57 PM
Ryan, I will buy the diff off you??

ryan
07-07-05, 10:00 PM
Get it bought mate, gearbox and diff are worth well in excess of 500


Hi Mike,

Took your advice and bought it.

104,000 genuine miles, full service history up until 87,000 miles, 4.2 manual, taxed and tested until November.

Even had receipts for recent (2003) reconditioned front calipers and new bushes and ball joints on the suspension. I may do all these again though for peace of mind.

Seems a shame to break it up, oh well, the Cobra calls !

Gonna have a few months cruising around in "me Jag" then strip the donar components off to give me something to do on those long winter nights.

Feel a bit like Arfur Daley. Will have to get myself a trilby hat and overcoat.

Ryan