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Andy302
17-08-05, 04:08 PM
Of course I cant prove this or they may have made an honest mistake but having ordered a 28oz FMS balancer I now discover its actually a 50oz balancer! Still every cloud has a silver do dah, my crank was so bad (that will teach me to buy a cheap CAT crank) its had to be balanced to 50oz anyway, a 28oz balance was out of the question/would have cost the earth!

So I think Ive got away with a new flywheel weight and a couple of slugs in the crank. Still a few more than I counted on.

My balancer said it isnt the first time hes heard of stuff imported from the US not being what it says on the tin, I should have guessed when I found the box open upon delivery.

Hey Ho.

gareth08
17-08-05, 06:08 PM
Andy,
Ford did change the cranks to 50oz balance about 1982.maybe that has something to do with it.

Andy302
17-08-05, 06:49 PM
Hi Gareth,

I know about the balance change and thats why I believe my crank was actually a 50oz even though it was stated to cover 68-95 year. However FMS do 2 different balancers, ones a 28oz and the other is 50oz, they look the same and have the same part number apart from the last 4 characters. Thats why Im wondering if theyve gotten mixed up somewhere, may be at FMS or at Summit (box was open when I received it).

Ayway as I said its all worked out OK, just cost me 100+ to sort out!

Cheers

osgood
17-08-05, 07:05 PM
Hi Gareth,

I know about the balance change and thats why I believe my crank was actually a 50oz even though it was stated to cover 68-95 year. However FMS do 2 different balancers, ones a 28oz and the other is 50oz, they look the same and have the same part number apart from the last 4 characters. Thats why Im wondering if theyve gotten mixed up somewhere, may be at FMS or at Summit (box was open when I received it).

Ayway as I said its all worked out OK, just cost me 100+ to sort out!

CheersAndy welcome to the myths of BHP which so many on this site talk about but cant substantiate:) including moderators;) Balancing is the most important factor re tune and power in my opinion whatever engine, just goes to prove all that glistens is not gold! We have people claiming 300 BHP with a midley tuned 3:5 AK, say no more:) Osgood:rolleyes:

Purple AK
17-08-05, 07:28 PM
Andy welcome to the myths of BHP which so many on this site talk about but cant substantiate:) including moderators;) Balancing is the most important factor re tune and power in my opinion whatever engine, just goes to prove all that glistens is not gold! We have people claiming 300 BHP with a midley tuned 3:5 AK, say no more:) Osgood:rolleyes:
Ah Osbad. Weekly wind up time again is it? :o Fact Time. 2 moderators have AK's FACT! Neither are 3.5 ltr FACT. Neither (to my knowledge) have claimed 300bhp FACT! Get your fact's right Chap ;) And Finally, What has this got to do with Crank Balance :o :rolleyes:

Dutch Paul
17-08-05, 07:41 PM
Ah Osbad. Weekly wind up time again is it? :o Fact Time. 2 moderators have AK's FACT! Neither are 3.5 ltr FACT. Neither (to my knowledge) have claimed 300bhp FACT! Get your fact's right Chap ;) And Finally, What has this got to do with Crank Balance :o :rolleyes:

Eric`s probably just feeling a little "cranky" today :D :D :D

Purple AK
17-08-05, 07:53 PM
Eric`s probably just feeling a little "cranky" today :D :D :D
Probably :rolleyes:

TINKA
17-08-05, 08:03 PM
Cranky or just cracked :finger:

Think he is just really pissed off after building yet another engine with crap figures on the Dyno :whatever: Torque is where it is at mate with these American engines making an engine that revs is OK for the track :D but for road use :confused: perhaps you can get it right next time mate :angel:

nbracken
17-08-05, 08:29 PM
Andy I also have experience of Summit suplying stuff incorrectly. Having said that, I have always found their people on the technical help line very supportive and once a mistake has been identified they have worked hard to rectify.

osgood
18-08-05, 10:32 AM
Ah Osbad. Weekly wind up time again is it? :o Fact Time. 2 moderators have AK's FACT! Neither are 3.5 ltr FACT. Neither (to my knowledge) have claimed 300bhp FACT! Get your fact's right Chap ;) And Finally, What has this got to do with Crank Balance :o :rolleyes:

WHoooooo bit touchy Chris ain't we, don't recall mentioning moderators:) Anyway Widow Cranky is frying again tonight;) And finally as they say on the news, nothing really Chris. Sogood :angel:

osgood
18-08-05, 10:46 AM
Cranky or just cracked :finger:

Think he is just really pissed off after building yet another engine with crap figures on the Dyno :whatever: Torque is where it is at mate with these American engines making an engine that revs is OK for the track :D but for road use :confused: perhaps you can get it right next time mate :angel:

Whoooo another touchy chappy:) Martin when yours is running okay talk to me about V8,s and Torque:finger: At least I am not afraid to post my figures and out of interest 5 BHP less than a high speck 350 Chevy at the rear wheels all be it an auto.

Most definately quick enough for an old fart like me and certainly quick enough for you :) :rolleyes: Osgood:angel:

fcukruss
18-08-05, 12:44 PM
so what are your bhp figures then eric??


russ

osgood
18-08-05, 06:49 PM
Hi Russ here are the figure which I was not quite happy with, but moded the HOLLEY so to richen her up a bit, seems to be an improvement on the road but wont know till I get back on the rolling road of course:) Have had good comment from people that know there bussiness, there is only one way forward and thats up the ladder. I personally think to get any where near 300 BHP re Rover 4:6 fit for the road you would have to multi carb or injection.

All I can say matey is, watch this space we will have a look at the Ford various & 351 Clevelands of this world when they have the bollocks to put up there dyno figures on site:) Osgood:angel: :rolleyes:

Andy302
18-08-05, 07:11 PM
Evening tower, would like to bring this thread into land but it appears weve been hijacked! :thumb: :thumb:

Clarkson
18-08-05, 07:46 PM
Ha Ha, Go on Sogood, keep tuning the nuts out of that wannbe yank engine! Just give it up and get a CHEVY!:thumb: :finger:

FatBoy
19-08-05, 06:22 AM
Has anyone used JE Engineering in Coventry for their RV8 rebuilds?
www.jeengineering.co.uk
They are best know for their high performance Land Rovers and Range Rovers, but I can be pretty confident in saying that no one knows RV8s better than JE, after all, and not a lot of people know this :) , notwithstanding the Buick origins, they designed the larger capacity versions that were later used by the factory. JE sold the design to Land Rover for their production cars. JE also build all the engines for the insane Bowler Land Rovers.
I'm surprised that, given their incredible experience with the RV8, they don't have a higher profile in the Cobra market. ..BTW, I don't work for JE, but they are a customer of mine :)
Someone should give them a go, I'm sure it will be a very positive experience.
Paul

osgood
19-08-05, 09:16 AM
Ha Ha, Go on Sogood, keep tuning the nuts out of that wannbe yank engine! Just give it up and get a CHEVY!:thumb: :finger:





David if I had the room I would, hey has that BHP figure gone up on your last post;) :rolleyes: Osgood:angel:

Come in red leader you are now clear for landing wilco and out:)

tonym
19-08-05, 10:44 AM
Has anyone used JE Engineering in Coventry for their RV8 rebuilds?
www.jeengineering.co.uk (http://www.jeengineering.co.uk)
They are best know for their high performance Land Rovers and Range Rovers, but I can be pretty confident in saying that no one knows RV8s better than JE, after all, and not a lot of people know this :) , notwithstanding the Buick origins, they designed the larger capacity versions that were later used by the factory. JE sold the design to Land Rover for their production cars. JE also build all the engines for the insane Bowler Land Rovers.
I'm surprised that, given their incredible experience with the RV8, they don't have a higher profile in the Cobra market. ..BTW, I don't work for JE, but they are a customer of mine :)
Someone should give them a go, I'm sure it will be a very positive experience.
Paul

If my memory serves me right, John Eales of JE Engineering sold the firm some time ago and now has a mill/farm not a million miles from me with a full engineering workshop. so while paul is right in saying John Eales is the master when it comes to RV8's he's no longer in coventry :thumb:

maxGD059
19-08-05, 10:59 AM
Yup -Nice guy, excellent engine builder, but you pay for quality. I was quoted for a new turnkey 4.8 on a holley with all ancillaries, 325bhp, -6.8K

Try www.v8developments.co.uk (http://www.v8developments.co.uk)

Ray Webb has always been very helpful & knows his stuff -based in the middle of nowhere in Lincolnshire

FatBoy
19-08-05, 11:04 AM
Hi Tony,
You are partly correct :thumb:
John Earles is no longer with JE and hasn't been for some considerable time. The "brains" behind the business in terms of engineering and design is a guy called Jonathan Douglas. He owns the business and has done, as I say, for some considerable time. Jonathan has been responsible for all the development work and the performance tuning. He also owns a company called ITG (Induction Technology Group) who are a specialist air filter manufacturer and supply the majority of the F1 grid with their air filters as well as various works rally teams etc.
Jonathan is a perfectionist and whilst he may not be the cheapest, the quality of his work is beyond question. :thumb: :thumb:
Cheers
Paul