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COBRA KEV01
30-12-05, 09:20 AM
Whatever next,we have it now made legal for a homosexual couple to adopt children.Now dont get me wrong i dont have anything against these people ,even getting married,but as far as im concerned adopting children into this enviroment is not on.No wonder society is going down the toilet.........

robert
30-12-05, 09:39 AM
but as far as im concerned adopting children into this enviroment is not on.No wonder society is going down the toilet.........

There are no rules which stop heterosexual couples from having children, and there are some significantly unsuitable parents around, at least they would be checked for suitability.

dave.n
30-12-05, 10:20 AM
Kev
I can see your view here. I agree with Robert on this one, there are thousands of kids with no family at all. (babies and small children white and black). At least the adoptive parents are checked as much as possible. There has been cases in the past of lesbian couples getting pregnant from one night stands to forfill their longing for children.
And after all if they want to be as a married couple with children. Tell me why they should not have the financial strain and the worries that kids put parents through like the rest of us.

wilf
30-12-05, 10:29 AM
The last person who publically expressed concerns such as Cobra Kev's received a telephone call from the Police, saying that they had received a compliant about an issue of sexual discrimination. Story reached national press and TV level, surprised you had not heard of it.

The Thought Police are here..................

Miket
30-12-05, 10:38 AM
I'm sorry I have to agree with Kev on this one, IMHO there are enough hetrosexual couples on the adoption waiting list, without letting homosexuals being allowed to adopt. :(

There are enough problems at the moment, kids need a Mother and Father figure to look up to.:-(

Thats just my opinion and my final word on the sublect. ;)

shadow
30-12-05, 11:30 AM
I think Mike hit the nail on the head, Kids need a mother and father figure to look up to and learn so much about life from!
It is great that they have changed the laws so that unmarried coples can now adopt. There are so many poor children that need homes and plenty of couples wanting to adopt but not marry!

mikey
30-12-05, 12:29 PM
A couple are renting next door at the moment. Dont see what happens in doors, and dont want to. However they are the nicest set of people you could wish for as next door neighbours - polite and quiet etc.

Whilst I agree that the best thing is mum and dad think of all those that spent Christmas opening up their presents without their guardians.

Sad world sometimes it may not be our cup of tea, but they might appreciate somebody close who cares.

Mike

tony
30-12-05, 03:54 PM
We`ve just returned from Austria having spent Christmas there, very nice it was too, among the group of people was a gay couple from Eastbourne.We spent many evenings socialising in the bar with a married couple from Midlands and these two lads (in their 30`s) and I have to say you couldn`t wish to meet a more pleasant pair.
Does this mean they`ll make good parents , I don`t know , but they behave better than many Hetrosexual couples I`ve met.

As for needing a mother and a father figure well in the Milton Keynes area there are plenty of single mothers raising kids without a father figure and they seem to do ok mostly.

Surely any parents are better than none at all.

mikey
30-12-05, 05:22 PM
As for needing a mother and a father figure well in the Milton Keynes area there are plenty of single mothers raising kids without a father figure and they seem to do ok mostly.

Have you got any telephone numbers I could do with a good woman to look after me.

Mike

v8robert
30-12-05, 05:24 PM
Society is really going down the toilet. Yes there are too many single mothers due to a multitude of reasons, my favourite is to get a council house. What people do is their business, gays, lesbians, beastophiles (with the animals consent of course :D) .

It comes down to this, whatever your politics, whatever your religion, whatever your sexuality - DNA, and our necessity to further our DNA. How do you think evolution works ? Our society has evolved rightly or wrongly into what it is now. The point of adoption is to raise a healthy child and give him/her a fighting chance of success, at a base level to further DNA.

I do not agree with homosexual couples adopting children because i beleive the loss of a good old fashioned nuclear family is a very sad thing. Daddy and daddy, mummy and mummy - holy **** !:angry: Same sex couples may be good 'parents' ie. love the chid and provide for it, better than a lot of heterosexual couples no doubt, but environment accounts for a lot in who you become. I am not saying the world will turn gay because they say you are born gay (what the **** that means, god knows ?) Perhaps we are emotionally undeveloped and naieve :rolleyes: - I'm glad if that's the case.

Why do humans have such a self destructive nature ???????? Whatever you beleive, just remember DNA .......... 'What a world - I weep for the future :-( '

Peace and love to whoever you are but NO TO SAME SEX PARENTS :finger:
Rob :thumb:

Miket
30-12-05, 05:29 PM
Have you got any telephone numbers I could do with a good woman to look after me.

Mike
Or how about a good man and you can raise some kids, you will have to decide which one is to wear the apron and change the nappies. :D :D :thumb: :thumb:

tony
30-12-05, 06:29 PM
It comes down to this, whatever your politics, whatever your religion, whatever your sexuality - DNA, and our necessity to further our DNA. How do you think evolution works ? Our society has evolved rightly or wrongly into what it is now. The point of adoption is to raise a healthy child and give him/her a fighting chance of success, at a base level to further DNA.

:finger:
Rob :thumb:


Rob.

Don`t get me wrong I`m not going to be attending Gay rights marches etc.:D
But you seem to suggest that the environment you are raised in can have an effect on your base DNA.

I agree the point of adoption is to give the child a fighting chance of a decent life, whether dna comes into the equation or not is debatable, our dna also affects our skin colour in order to turn out white, black yellow blue or whatever, if our environment effects our sexuallity then surely it`s possible for it to effect our skin colour as well:( .

If we end up going this route then god help us, seem to remember someone tried it before around about 1940.:(

v8robert
30-12-05, 10:03 PM
Rob.

Don`t get me wrong I`m not going to be attending Gay rights marches etc.:D
But you seem to suggest that the environment you are raised in can have an effect on your base DNA.

I agree the point of adoption is to give the child a fighting chance of a decent life, whether dna comes into the equation or not is debatable, our dna also affects our skin colour in order to turn out white, black yellow blue or whatever, if our environment effects our sexuallity then surely it`s possible for it to effect our skin colour as well:( .

If we end up going this route then god help us, seem to remember someone tried it before around about 1940.:(

No, god knows what makes people gay/bi, there is always the arguement 'i was born gay, it was something i knew i was from a very early age', other animals display gay tendencies, does that mean it is wrong ? NO. However - Being evolved, pretending we are more evolved than any other animals, we are kidding ourselves, we are the same, just rationalise we are differnent with our sense of conscience, darwinism; ??????? There is no misunderstanding. The human race is set for self distruction. Or females managing a way of attaining sperm through other methods rendering us alpha males redundent. Its your choice ?????????????????

Peace
Rob :thumb:

dave
03-01-06, 05:51 PM
And what will happen to the poor kids at school when the other kids find out what's going on? They'll be ripped to bits. The most influential years of your life are the years spent at school, this will raise a whole new group of introverts..........Then again they could always become Civil Servants, maybe even working for the DVLA.

chocice
03-01-06, 07:26 PM
............and on a lighter note; Elton John and his new husband David Fernish "SWAPPED RINGS"on their first night of marriage.:(

Robin427
04-01-06, 07:56 PM
Do you guys not watch Friends? Ben seems to be OK...

... then again, his "mommies" are the GOOD sort of lesbian...

COBRA KEV01
04-01-06, 08:14 PM
robin mate you need to get out more!!!!
heehee

.....it just seems very odd to me,that two gays can get married by a church that pretends that it is now ok to be gay,and that these people can now legally adopt when fathers are struggling to see there own children where the law has been letting them down for years.Where is the justice.

dave.n
04-01-06, 08:45 PM
Hey Kev
They must all be watching James Bond on the tele (and don't really give a toss), as no one has bitten on the old CSA chestnut and the old Gay rights thing has died a death too.

Purple AK
04-01-06, 08:51 PM
robin mate you need to get out more!!!!
heehee

.....it just seems very odd to me,that two gays can get married by a church that pretends that it is now ok to be gay,and that these people can now legally adopt when fathers are struggling to see there own children where the law has been letting them down for years.Where is the justice.
Sorry Kev.
But you've lost me there (Maybe I should get out more) ;) I was/am under the impression that Gay Marriages were a Civil Ceremony and not sanctioned by the Church. I also fail to see what Gay Marriage and Adoption has to do with Estranged Fathers visiting rights????? :o

dave.n
04-01-06, 09:03 PM
Chris
I think I sense a windup with all this.
Just to see who bites.

Purple AK
04-01-06, 09:15 PM
Dave.
I have no doubt of that. ;) Sadly it stems from a homophobic belief that ALL gays are pedeophiles. Where as most pedeophiles lurk in Hetrosexual relationships/guise

tonym
04-01-06, 09:54 PM
Most pedeophiles lurk in Hetrosexual relationships/guise

Really Chris, trying to tell us something are you? :D

Purple AK
04-01-06, 10:00 PM
Really Chris, trying to tell us something are you? :D
Don't you think I have enough on my plate with Liz :o :rolleyes: :D

clive a brown
04-01-06, 10:11 PM
Well I do have strong veiws about same sex adoption - but am I the only member who thinks this forum is not the place for anybody to air their veiws on any subject so far removed from cobras?

Clive

robert
05-01-06, 02:34 AM
Well I do have strong veiws about same sex adoption - but am I the only member who thinks this forum is not the place for anybody to air their veiws on any subject so far removed from cobras?

Clive

Clive

This is in the cockpit, which is the correct place for it.

Think of the forum as a virtual Cobra Meet, undoubtably, you don't just talk about Cobras when you get together, surely there must be other topics that come up.

dingocooke
05-01-06, 11:31 AM
I've go to say I can relate to most of the opinions on this one; its kind of hard as a 'normal' married guy (ok my wife may argue..) to comprehend a same sex union, but I do understand people of all persuasions wanting to take on the challenge of parenthood.
Im only guessing, but I think if I was an orphan, Id be happier spending my childhood being cared for by two loving people whatever their gender; rather than in an institution where I must be more of a number, and less of an individual, however good the organisation.
To be totally honest, my instinctive first thought on same sex adoption was a semi subconcious thought that it might mean the child growing up gay due to the influence of the adoptive parents behaviour; but when I think about further, I have to say I believe that a persons sexual orientation, whether straight or gay is more a character/personality trait than upbringing; after all gay people have had to fight against parental distaste of their orientation for years, so it was hardly their upbringing that 'made them gay'.
The most important thing as far as I can see is that the children concerned are brought up in a safe and caring environment; and as long as childrens homes have any children left in them, we should concentrate our efforts on making sure the children are placed with responsible couples who are willing to build their lives around the needs of the children, rather than judge the potential adoptive parents on their orientation and life style?
Only my opinion.
Steve

Neil O
05-01-06, 12:56 PM
Chris
I think I sense a windup with all this.
Just to see who bites.

Knowing Kev, I'd say there's no windup. These will most likely be his actual opinions on the matter.

He's quite amazing really, for a postal worker to be as right wing as Kev is, is very unusual.

My opinion (for what it's worth) is that same sex adoption is wrong. If you are gay you have to accept that you will spend your life without being a parent.
I agree with Dave B, imagine the poor kids at school when their 2 'dads' collect them.
If it's ok to be gay, then why can't gay couples have kids naturally?
This all of course excludes women who are bisexual, that's just fine!

BTW, before anyone starts shouting, you don't have to be homophobic to have an opinion on this matter.

dingocooke
05-01-06, 01:23 PM
Theres a boy at my daughters school with 2 'mums', the only people who raise their eyebrows or comment are the other parents, the kids dont appear to think too much about it, as 40% of them already have two dads or two mums due to divorce and seperation!!1

osgood
05-01-06, 01:31 PM
robin mate you need to get out more!!!!
heehee

.....it just seems very odd to me,that two gays can get married by a church that pretends that it is now ok to be gay,and that these people can now legally adopt when fathers are struggling to see there own children where the law has been letting them down for years.Where is the justice.

Ow dear Kev what have you started here then??:) ;) Osgood:angel:

fiona
05-01-06, 02:19 PM
Thought I would throw in my thoughts too. My brother, now 39, was gay from 18-20. Parents made him see a psychiatrist as it was considered a mental problem. He married at 25, had a child and the marriage broke down when he was 31 & my nephew was 2.

He has lived with his "boyfriend" for the past 7 years. They are both happy, he has a successful business and have his son every Wednesday night and every second weekend as well as half of the school holidays etc.

Tate is just like any other little boy. Naughty at times (like ALL children), intelligient and happy. He does not seem concerned by the relationship and has never mentioned any teasing or bullying about it. I know children are aware of a lot more than we think they are but also think they are not concerned by as many things as we think.

Unconditional love and support is the best thing you can give a child in my opinion. No I don't have any children (yet) but I think that in an ideal world, yes all children should have a married mum and dad but how many people stay married now?? When I was at school divorced parents were the minority - now it seems the reverse is true. Further to that in an ideal world there wouldn't be any children that needed to be adopted.

Neil O
05-01-06, 02:44 PM
Theres a boy at my daughters school with 2 'mums', the only people who raise their eyebrows or comment are the other parents, the kids dont appear to think too much about it, as 40% of them already have two dads or two mums due to divorce and seperation!!1

Good point Dingo.

Robin427
05-01-06, 03:13 PM
I've got a gay couple living next door and I think they should only be allowed to adopt if the state names the children first... their cats are called Rocco and Lola (which was a step up from Dolce & Gabbana)...

I think the system is wrong if homosexual couples are given priority over unmarried heterosexual couples, but I'd rather see a child being loved in an unconventional family than sat in an institution...

Miket
05-01-06, 03:15 PM
I've got a gay couple living next
Robin, I think you will live to regret that post. :D :D

Robin427
05-01-06, 03:32 PM
Robin, I think you will live to regret that post. :D :D

You try buying a house that close to Gatwick and not having a gay living next door!!!

tonym
05-01-06, 04:32 PM
Further to that in an ideal world there wouldn't be any children that needed to be adopted.

Good point, shoot the little ba***rds at birth, all of them. Then i could go to a restaurant and eat in peace, walk round a supermarket without tripping over them, and not have to read about the chav "single" mums who drop kids quicker than they can get a free council house.
sorry, what was the topic again:D:D:angel:

perkles
05-01-06, 06:01 PM
be funny when they explain the birds and the bees to their kids :o

osgood
05-01-06, 07:07 PM
Well just had to comment, I don't normally as my post's get deleted even on non controversial subjects in the cockpit!

I think right wing Kev has it on the nail, this country is in total tatters! :mad: I must say I do know a couple of Gay,s and they are really nice guy,s. I also know a couple that have four kid's between them but each are are Bye (swing both ways!) I have no problem with any sexual preference but children to the same sex family Mmmmm I am not sure on that one. Chris seems to have a secret he does not want out in the open :) . Magazine / INTERNET Wilf seems to be worried about sexual equality :rolleyes: ! Clive Brown reckons none of should discuss it at all not even in the cockpit section, that's what comes of playing too much Golf! My My you should all be worried about the way this country is heading with this present regime!! Have a look around you.

Osgood :angel:

robert
05-01-06, 07:42 PM
Unconditional love and support is the best thing you can give a child in my opinion. No I don't have any children (yet) but I think that in an ideal world, yes all children should have a married mum and dad but how many people stay married now?? When I was at school divorced parents were the minority - now it seems the reverse is true. Further to that in an ideal world there wouldn't be any children that needed to be adopted.

Nicely put. :thumb:

Purple AK
05-01-06, 07:54 PM
No Secrets here Eric.
I'm as straight as the next guy. I have also never made a secret of the fact that I have a Gay stepson. What I will say is, If and when we go into a major city pub, We will always, by preference choose a Gay pub because, I as a Hetrosexual I will not be chatted up (they know i'm straight) and Liz will be treated with respect. Whereas in a "Straight" pub once the average hetro male has had one too many shandy's, He wants to fight the world :whatever: :rolleyes:

v8robert
05-01-06, 08:15 PM
Isn't that lovely :rolleyes:
Is it that they know you are straight or just too damn ugly

Apologies, couldn't resist :D

Purple AK
05-01-06, 08:17 PM
Isn't that lovely :rolleyes:
Is it that they know you are straight or just too damn ugly

Apologies, couldn't resist :D
You forgot OLD ;)

TINKA
05-01-06, 08:33 PM
Isn't that lovely :rolleyes:
Is it that they know you are straight or just too damn ugly

Apologies, couldn't resist :D


You have met Chris then :angel: :angel:

v8robert
05-01-06, 08:35 PM
You forgot OLD ;)

Didn't forget, just thought i'd try and leave you with a bit of dignity :D :D

Purple AK
05-01-06, 08:46 PM
Thats what they all say :o :D Tinka. Shoudn't you be packing of something useful :finger:

TINKA
05-01-06, 08:58 PM
I am ( or that is what I keep telling Helen anyway ) :D :D

Miket
05-01-06, 09:12 PM
Thats what they all say :o :D Tinka. Shoudn't you be packing of something useful :finger:
Glad they have started on someone else, gives me a rest. :finger: :D :thumb: :thumb:

osgood
05-01-06, 09:18 PM
No Secrets here Eric.
I'm as straight as the next guy. I have also never made a secret of the fact that I have a Gay stepson. What I will say is, If and when we go into a major city pub, We will always, by preference choose a Gay pub because, I as a Hetrosexual I will not be chatted up (they know i'm straight) and Liz will be treated with respect. Whereas in a "Straight" pub once the average hetro male has had one too many shandy's, He wants to fight the world :whatever: :rolleyes: Chris I will beleive you even though no-body else does ;) :) Eric :angel: Well for the moment any-way keep up the good work :thumb:

osgood
05-01-06, 09:20 PM
Glad they have started on someone else, gives me a rest. :finger: :D :thumb: :thumb:Mike , Kev tells me you are a pufhter any way so what the hell :) :thumb: Osgood:angel:

Miket
05-01-06, 09:41 PM
Mike , Kev tells me you are a pufhter any way so what the hell :) :thumb: Osgood:angel:
Pissed again? Eric :(

v8robert
06-01-06, 12:54 AM
I am ( or that is what I keep telling Helen anyway ) :D :D

I knew it! Our trains, planes and automobiles incident must have left a lasting impression !:D :D

snakebite
06-01-06, 11:54 AM
As partly quoted by Fiona "No I don't have any children (yet)".................hmmmm :p :D

osgood
06-01-06, 01:30 PM
Pissed again? Eric :(Had a couple Mike but still in control :thumb: :rolleyes: Eric :angel:

gareth08
06-01-06, 02:11 PM
No Secrets here Eric.
I'm as straight as the next guy. I have also never made a secret of the fact that I have a Gay stepson. What I will say is, If and when we go into a major city pub, We will always, by preference choose a Gay pub because, I as a Hetrosexual I will not be chatted up (they know i'm straight) and Liz will be treated with respect. Whereas in a "Straight" pub once the average hetro male has had one too many shandy's, He wants to fight the world :whatever: :rolleyes:


Is there something else youre not telling us chris:finger:
or is it a secret between you and Liz:D
Rumour has it that more people turn gay in thier 50's than any other age:finger: :D :p

tonym
06-01-06, 04:25 PM
Rumour has it that more people turn gay in thier 50's than any other age:finger: :D :p

Only 13 years to go then, eh Gareth????

gareth08
06-01-06, 09:50 PM
Only 13 years to go then, eh Gareth????


yes Mate but highly unlikely that I'll make it to there:p :D