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FatBoy
10-04-08, 07:39 PM
It lives and breaths :) :)

I started the beast tonight for the first time. To be honest it was rather uneventful. Having primed all the systems on Tuesday night and ensured there was oil and fuel pressure, all that was required tonight was to drop it off the axle stands and roll it out of the garage.
I gave the throttle a couple of pumps and turned the key and it pretty much started straight away. I realised pretty much immediately that I had forgotten to tighten up the top bolts on the off-side exhaust headers, Doh!, so I turned it off and sorted those out and tried again.

Pure music :) :) There's no sound quite like it. I'm sorry, but you can keep your Chevys, give me a Ford FE any day.

I've got a solid 80psi oil pressure from tickover and an even 7psi fuel pressure. The only slight issue is the water temperture got pretty hot, pretty quickly so I think I may have the thermostat the wrong way round.

So far, no oil or water leaks so all in all, I'm very happy.

Paul

legend
10-04-08, 07:42 PM
Paul, well done & all the best.

Hope i'm not far behind you.Tony

wilf
10-04-08, 07:59 PM
Fantastic!

Where's the .wav file?

Dutch Paul
10-04-08, 08:05 PM
Where's the .wave file?

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Congrats Paul

runt
10-04-08, 09:04 PM
I bet that does sound incredible; the real thing! Heaven is a place on earth eh, make sure your pilots licence is properly stamped up etc, look forward to seeing your car some day.

Paul.;)

FatBoy
10-04-08, 09:05 PM
Fantastic!

Where's the .wav file?

If I can work out how to record one, I'll do it tomorrow. I think I can record with my phone...maybe.

Which way round it the thermostat supposed to go?

Paul

AlexB
10-04-08, 10:58 PM
Pics and video, go go go!

Congrats - nothing like starting the project for the first time, is there?

wilf
11-04-08, 07:04 AM
If I can work out how to record one, I'll do it tomorrow. I think I can record with my phone...maybe.

Which way round it the thermostat supposed to go?

Paul

The "works" point back/down into the engine. If the stat is mounted vertically (can't remember for now on an FE) and you have a small hole in the periphery (and if you don't, drill one), that goes at the 12 o'clock position.

mikey
11-04-08, 07:51 AM
It lives and breaths :) :)

I started the beast tonight for the first time. To be honest it was rather uneventful. Having primed all the systems on Tuesday night and ensured there was oil and fuel pressure, all that was required tonight was to drop it off the axle stands and roll it out of the garage.
I gave the throttle a couple of pumps and turned the key and it pretty much started straight away. I realised pretty much immediately that I had forgotten to tighten up the top bolts on the off-side exhaust headers, Doh!, so I turned it off and sorted those out and tried again.

Pure music :) :) There's no sound quite like it. I'm sorry, but you can keep your Chevys, give me a Ford FE any day.

I've got a solid 80psi oil pressure from tickover and an even 7psi fuel pressure. The only slight issue is the water temperture got pretty hot, pretty quickly so I think I may have the thermostat the wrong way round.

So far, no oil or water leaks so all in all, I'm very happy.

Paul

Nice one.

Just a comment and you need to check with the Ford boys as I'm used to theh Chevy (apologies if I am wrong in your case), but 80 PSI at tickover would worry me to hell even with new oil and cold fist start. What is more important is what does it climb to with revs, cold and hot as it is irrelevant at tickover as long as you have sufficient.

The reason I mention is in relation to blowing seals if its climbing over 90 or 100 psi when cold. The other reason is that the only time I have seen that high a pressure with a conventional pump is with a high volume high pressure pump (not good if its a standard sump).

You are going to tell me that its a dry plumbed bb now arent you.

Wilf is good at these sorts of things.

Mike

dingocooke
11-04-08, 08:02 AM
A lot of stateside engine builders put the TRW/Melling pump in big block/FE's along with the Ford replacement 'pink' spring (also avail from morosos) which relieves at 100psi so nothing amiss at all there.

The stat disc is 'vertical' so Wilfs hole at 12 is a good idea.

Sounds good Paul.

Mike I didnt know you were of Eskimo descent...;-)

mikey
11-04-08, 08:22 AM
Mike I didnt know you were of Eskimo descent...;-)[/QUOTE]

I am being a bit slow and thick here me thinks:confused:

Glad you sorted the answer. Melling do a similar pump for the SB Chevy which give around the same figures (I use it on the 415) but as its HP HV with a standard sump there is a small danger of evacuation occuring too quickly so you need to fit a higher volume sump pan which comes far too low for comfort on the cobra.

All the best
Mike:)

dingocooke
11-04-08, 08:23 AM
...........blowing seals.....?????????


re the sump if you look at the SA website I think youll see it has a canton style sump (as does my cleveland) I dont have any doubts on the SA built 427; theyve built a lot of those engines, many for cob clones.

mikey
11-04-08, 08:46 AM
[QUOTE=dingocooke;238278]...........blowing seals.....?????????


:-D:-D:-D F.. Brilliant - Thanks for the laugh.

Mike

wilf
11-04-08, 09:49 AM
That oil pressure is perfectly normal for a FE. Would like to know what it climbs to with some revs - shouldn't change that much, maybe gain 10 to 15 psi at 3000rpm.

As for blowing seals - sounds a bit fishy to me.............

tonym
11-04-08, 11:42 AM
As for blowing seals - sounds a bit fishy to me.............

Cod almighty, that's a bad pun Wilf :roll:

dingocooke
11-04-08, 12:00 PM
yep what a load of pollacks...

FatBoy
11-04-08, 05:28 PM
The sump is a high capacity type with extension "wings" on each side. So far, I've put 9 litres in.
I'm just going out into the garage to check the 'stat. The oil pump is a Melling High Volume #57.
If anyone is interested, I can post the full engine spec.

Paul

mike huddart
11-04-08, 06:51 PM
Dear Paul,
I have been trying to give up this forum thing but thought , with a nice toy like yours, you needed a bit of reassurance.
The 427 should have about 40lbs pressure at idle, stinking hot, climbing to 90/100lbs at about 5000rpm. 80 lbs cold at idle is normal but dont go revving the nuts of it untill you get a bit of temperature up or the disi gear will wear rappidly. If you still think you have too much pressure, the side oilers have a second releif valve at the back of the block accesable behind the flywheel, you can add or take away shims here to control the pressure.
As for the thermostat, no need to drill any holes in it, that short hose that runs from the top of the water pump to the intake is the thermostat by-pass.
Best regards Mike

wilf
11-04-08, 07:14 PM
Hi Mike - can't keep away eh?

The hole in the thermostat thing was given to me by an old time FE builder in the states - not so much for bypass, but to aid "burping". Does that make any more sense?

Many 'stats have a hole in them as new, with a little joggle thingy in it anyway. Again I always believed that was to aid getting rid of entrained air.

dingocooke
11-04-08, 08:11 PM
......I have been trying to give up this forum thing......


yeah addictive isnt it; I only came on originally in 04 to check the classifieds out, and thought 'what the hell I'll register'; little did I know........;-)

Steve

FatBoy
11-04-08, 08:16 PM
Dear Paul,
I have been trying to give up this forum thing but thought , with a nice toy like yours, you needed a bit of reassurance.
The 427 should have about 40lbs pressure at idle, stinking hot, climbing to 90/100lbs at about 5000rpm. 80 lbs cold at idle is normal but dont go revving the nuts of it untill you get a bit of temperature up or the disi gear will wear rappidly. If you still think you have too much pressure, the side oilers have a second releif valve at the back of the block accesable behind the flywheel, you can add or take away shims here to control the pressure.
As for the thermostat, no need to drill any holes in it, that short hose that runs from the top of the water pump to the intake is the thermostat by-pass.
Best regards Mike

Thanks Mike for the reassurance.
I'll keep an eye on the oil pressure, but I'm sure it will be perfectly alright. I have a high degree of mechanical sympathy, so rest assured, I won't be "revving the nuts off it" until it is thoroughl warmed up and even then, only when it has done a few miles.
I took off the header tank and sure enough, I had the 'stat the wrong way round. I didn't bother drilling a hole because as you say, there is already a by-pass on the FE.
I put it all back together and all seems well. Apart, that is from the knackered header gasket that I forgot to tighten up last night. I need to get a new gasket tomorrow. Fortunately, there is an American engine specialist very close to me that I know has some in stock.
I filled up the diff with exactly the required 1.6 litres of LSD oil and I was reliably told that this would put the level about " below the filler hole. However, it filled up to the hole and poured all over my garage floor. :(
I'll set the suspension ride height tomorrow and then I should be ready for the road. :)

Paul

jon1d
12-04-08, 04:23 PM
Paul,

Nice to hear that you have the motor running.

This link might be of interest regarding oil pressure. 80 lbs at ideal when cold

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNA7xSbjEp8

Are you near putting in for the SVA .

Cheers John

Miket
12-04-08, 04:29 PM
Paul,

Nice to hear that you have the motor running.

This link might be of interest regarding oil pressure. 80 lbs at ideal when cold

YouTube - 427 Ford FE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNA7xSbjEp8)

Are you near putting in for the SVA .

Cheers JohnFixed link ;) :D :D

mark b
12-04-08, 05:22 PM
Just to add to what the other guys said. Sounds like the same figures that I get on mine. I did put the hole in the thermostat after talking to a few of the guys in that states and I did not think it would hurt either. I dont know about you but I did get a few airlocks that needed sorting out even after I thought I got all the air out.
And they do sound great mmmmm

FatBoy
12-04-08, 08:00 PM
How do I know if I've got trapped air in the cooling system and how do I get rid of it if I have?

Paul

mark b
12-04-08, 10:24 PM
Mine was a real pain the first couple of times I filled it it thought it was ok until took the cap off the header tank ( after a cooling period) and it was like an Icelandic gyser going off. They way I now fill it is,
I take off all the hoses everywhere except bottom raditor hose then fill thro the hose that connects the top of the header tank and top of raditor until the water comes out of next hole, then re connect that hose until the next one and so on. the next prob I had was getting water round the heater matrix. So now I use an air foot pump filled with water to force the water round and push any air out, I am sure there is a proper tool for but it works fine.

jon1d
13-04-08, 02:15 PM
Hi Paul,

The best way I have got air out of the system is fill up the system slowly and remove the top hose cap and thermo stat rad cap to fill , make sure you have the heater matrix heater valve is fully open so water can circulate the matrix. Once full run the engine without the thermostate cap on for a few minutes and you will see large blups of air comming to the surface be careful as the water gets hot very quickly. Put your stat on run until hot and top up as the level in the expansion tank would have gone down.
Since using this method I have not had air locks which I use to have in the past .When running the cooling system with no rad cap on and no pressure water the water expanding push out any air bubbles from the system.

Miket , I do not post working links as most forums do not allow this . A under line in front of the link allows people to make the discussion to open the link just in case of a virus .

Cheers