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imperial blue
18-04-09, 04:19 PM
Hi, My name is Del Roberts and I live in Chester. My youngest son and I are at present building a Pilgrim Sumo III. It is based on the Granada, with a Rover V8, lightened, balanced 3.9 heads, electronic ignition, fast road cam and 4 choke Webber carb. Rover SD1 5 speed gearbox and Spax Coil-over suspension. We are near completion and would like to fit 3 point harnesses, but cannot find anyone to advise us on an approved anchorage point behind the seat (to satisfy SVA). Anyone with any ideas please.
Del.:mad:

Lloyd Barnes
18-04-09, 04:23 PM
Hi Del

have you tried contacting Pilgrim? Den Tanner is now back in charge there. Sure he could advise.

Also you may get more answers if you put this post into the Sumo Tech Questions part of the site.

Good luck with the rest of the build and welcome to the site :-)

jonny m
18-04-09, 09:37 PM
I Del, I'm not too far from you over in Manchestrer also with a Sumo RV8.

I took the easy option to get through SVA and fitted the standard belt, but want the 3-point harness.

Could you drop me a PM or keep the forum posted with the outcome of this as I would like to swap over at some point.

I suspect the existing top fixing would work as one anchor, the other I think would have to be tapped in the the Pilgrim roll bar - but I'm not sure if this is tough enough to take a seltbelt anchor ???

Cheers, Jon

chesterak
20-04-09, 01:36 PM
Hi Del,
I'm in Saughall if you need any help....

Contact Den Tanner for best advice.



Hi, My name is Del Roberts and I live in Chester. My youngest son and I are at present building a Pilgrim Sumo III. It is based on the Granada, with a Rover V8, lightened, balanced 3.9 heads, electronic ignition, fast road cam and 4 choke Webber carb. Rover SD1 5 speed gearbox and Spax Coil-over suspension. We are near completion and would like to fit 3 point harnesses, but cannot find anyone to advise us on an approved anchorage point behind the seat (to satisfy SVA). Anyone with any ideas please.
Del.:mad:

lutman
20-04-09, 03:40 PM
I Del, I'm not too far from you over in Manchestrer also with a Sumo RV8.

I took the easy option to get through SVA and fitted the standard belt, but want the 3-point harness.

Could you drop me a PM or keep the forum posted with the outcome of this as I would like to swap over at some point.

I suspect the existing top fixing would work as one anchor, the other I think would have to be tapped in the the Pilgrim roll bar - but I'm not sure if this is tough enough to take a seltbelt anchor ???

Cheers, Jon

Would not have thought tapping the roll bar would satisfy requirements ?
Surely the metal used for the roll bar is not strong/thick enough to sustain the loads if in an accident, that is it would likley pull the bolt through ?
The two floor mounted attach points will be suitable, all that is in question is the shoulder strap mount - I thought there was an available kit that mounted a bracket/clamp onto the roll bar without damaging the roll bar itself that suited regulations ? Not so pretty, but safe at least. I have also seen a harness run through a hole in the aft bulkhead into the boot area where the shoulder strap mount could be fixed to the chassis

chedz
20-04-09, 05:34 PM
Hi Del,

I've been there, done that, done it all again etc.....

I fitted 3 point harnesses to a sumo and came across a problem as I had headrests on the seats, the single mounting point behind the seat means the belts want to come right through the middle of the headrest. for the SVA I took the head rests off but for IVA you can't do this.

so, to answer your question....Pilgrim at the time (different owner) advised fitting a bent piece of steel in the shape of a tall "C" behind the seats and then bolting down into the tops of it. I decided this was crap, it would have had no strength at all, so I made these to fit an eye between the rollbars:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chedzoy/cobra/bracket1.JPG
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chedzoy/cobra/bracket2.JPG
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chedzoy/cobra/brackets3.JPG
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chedzoy/cobra/brackets4.JPG

these bolt the the chassis between the roll hoop mounts and have wings to load spread onto the fibre glass.

So, it can be done with 3 point, but over the last few months I replaced all this with 5 point harnesses so I can fit a fixing point either side of the headrests.

They look like this:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chedzoy/cobra/harness5.JPg

I made these by welding other bolts onto them, I couldnt find any to buy that were long enough. The welded section is the secondary load taken, the main strength comes from the flat plate up against the fibreglass welded to the brackets....hard to explain.

these are mounted to the same brackets but through the large wings I fitted to the sides that were originally load spreaders, these were toughened up, then the eye bolts continued through the roll hoops where I fitted large curved washers. The end results is very solid.

Something else to consider is the lower mounts are too far back for harnesses, resulting in the belt strap coming over your stomach rather than hips, I moved these forward with new eye bolts and large washers under the floor pan.

I have more pictures if you want them.

I also have a hardly used set of williams black 3 point harnesses for sale if you're still interested.

cheers

Graham

chedz
20-04-09, 05:41 PM
I missed posting this above, sorry, more speed less haste:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chedzoy/cobra/harnessbolt.JPg

imperial blue
21-04-09, 06:18 PM
Hi Del,

I've been there, done that, done it all again etc.....

I fitted 3 point harnesses to a sumo and came across a problem as I had headrests on the seats, the single mounting point behind the seat means the belts want to come right through the middle of the headrest. for the SVA I took the head rests off but for IVA you can't do this.

so, to answer your question....Pilgrim at the time (different owner) advised fitting a bent piece of steel in the shape of a tall "C" behind the seats and then bolting down into the tops of it. I decided this was crap, it would have had no strength at all, so I made these to fit an eye between the rollbars:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chedzoy/cobra/bracket1.JPG
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chedzoy/cobra/bracket2.JPG
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chedzoy/cobra/brackets3.JPG
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chedzoy/cobra/brackets4.JPG

these bolt the the chassis between the roll hoop mounts and have wings to load spread onto the fibre glass.

So, it can be done with 3 point, but over the last few months I replaced all this with 5 point harnesses so I can fit a fixing point either side of the headrests.

They look like this:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chedzoy/cobra/harness5.JPg

I made these by welding other bolts onto them, I couldnt find any to buy that were long enough. The welded section is the secondary load taken, the main strength comes from the flat plate up against the fibreglass welded to the brackets....hard to explain.

these are mounted to the same brackets but through the large wings I fitted to the sides that were originally load spreaders, these were toughened up, then the eye bolts continued through the roll hoops where I fitted large curved washers. The end results is very solid.

Something else to consider is the lower mounts are too far back for harnesses, resulting in the belt strap coming over your stomach rather than hips, I moved these forward with new eye bolts and large washers under the floor pan.

I have more pictures if you want them.

I also have a hardly used set of williams black 3 point harnesses for sale if you're still interested.

cheers

Graham

Hi Graham,
Many thanks for the info., very detailed. Mine has a single rollover bar, so no problems with the mount position. Thanks for the offer of the black harnesses, I will have a word with my son and get back to you. Thanks again.
Regards,
Del.

jonny m
23-04-09, 11:08 PM
Bloody hell Graham, how much work went in to that bracket. Glad I looked at the post though, I'll have the same problem as have headrests too.

Was also worried about drilling the roll bar, and concerned if it could hold strain.

Was going to just drill through (like the picture) and mount in the original Pilgrim steel plate that is already there.

But I also seem to remember seeing a steel plate accross the single roll bar giving mounting points for a harness - anyone any pics ?

janandchris
25-04-09, 11:37 PM
Hi

Only about 30 mins from Chester here in North Wales, also have a Rover V8 Sumo, And also interested in fitting 3 or 5 point harnesses too!

Chris