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aerodjet
24-09-12, 01:24 PM
Bonjourà tous ,

I am a french COBRA addict man .
I would like to buy a RAM Cobra , imported from England to France .
I just find one with English registration as a "RAM " , with a V5 noticing : date of first registration : 01/04/1966 .
I suppose that is the donor car ( probably a Jaguar ) first registration ?

In France it is very difficult to register a classic imported car . We need absolutly to know the real date of buiding of the replica .

The french National Classic Car Club Federation ( FFVE ) is allowed to creat an official paper necessary to register the car
To obtain it , it is possible to show the original bill of the replica , or a certificate from the replica factory , or a certificat from any National Cobra club , any information from the Firm Specialist , or informations from a very close car .

The RAM Frame (" châssis ") number of the car I would like to buy is : 1052955 BW .

Please , does any member could help me to discover or approach the Date of creation or selling of this Cobra RAM ?
It could be great !
Thank you very much.
Please , excuse my low English language level .
Très cordialement

Alain

labeline
24-09-12, 02:15 PM
Alain

My written French is many times worse than your English so forgive me for replying in English.

To stand any chance of qualifying, you have to make absolutely sure that the car is correctly registered in the UK as a Cobra Replica. At one time many Cobras were registered as a Jaguar 2 seater sports or worse which they are clearly not and if any car is registered as such it would be very difficult to register here in the UK let alone in France

There are threads on the forum regarding the registration of Cobra's in France but I believe that they have to be over 30 years old to qualify for classic status and their use is severely restricted if they are accepted as a classic. If you search under 'Car in France' I am sure you will find them. I have put a link to one of them below.

http://www.cobraclub.com/forum/general-cobra-discussion/43465-exporting-cobra-france.html

The date of original registration, as you point out, does not normally reflect the age of the replica. Mine was built between 1992 and 1995 but is shown as first registered in 1978. The problem arises if they want to take the date of build as the date because there are very few, if any Cobra Replicas that are 30 years old. RAM ceased to exist years ago so you won't be able to get any documentation from them. I too have had problems trying to obtain a certificate of conformity to get my car registered in France.

I know that I have all but given up any hope of getting my car registered there although I will look into it when we move out next year. The alternative for me is to drive it on English plates for as long as I can but I am afraid that although I may get away with it with the Gendarmes, you, being French, will not.

Good luck. I hope that searching the Forum helps.

Paul

bitsilly
25-09-12, 11:25 AM
Cheng at Thunder Road Cars is always helpful and may be able to help, he worked for Ram:

Thunder Road Cars
Peacocks
Avey Lane
Waltham Abbey
Essex
EN9 3QJ

Tel: 020 8502 4090
Mob: 07836 699339
Fax: 020 8502 1374

email: thunder.roadcars@ btinternet.com

marco454v8
25-09-12, 08:56 PM
Salut Alain,
I'm not sure if you have seen on LBC, AC COBRA replica RAM Factory Built Voitures Alpes-Maritimes - leboncoin.fr (http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/364196254.htm?ca=21_s)
this Ram is in Nice near to me. It was used as a classic car rental. Rent A Car Classic, Classic cars for hire in Nice, French Riviera, Classic Car Hire World (http://www.classiccarhire.com/contentok.php?id=5008)
Also, Rams are easier to register here as they used to have a one marque race series for them 'Bardahl trophee''
come and say hello on the french club AC Cobra - Anciennes Répliques - FORUM Anciennes - FORUM Collections (http://www.forum-auto.com/automobiles-mythiques-exception/section5/sujet181090-26390.htm)

Cdlt Mark

labeline
25-09-12, 09:06 PM
I notice that the RAM is still UK registered.

marco454v8
25-09-12, 10:13 PM
Yes, I saw that too, but they say at the bottom that 'possibilite cg Francaise'
could be worth enquiring

Mark

KJ164
26-09-12, 08:01 AM
Hi to all

I put my Cobra up for sale due to ill health, however I had 2 serious enquiries one from Holland and one from France.
With one of these contact I was supplied the following information: I cannot think that this info is wrong, It make common sense, however unless someone from the clubs has tried it I cannot guarantee 100% that UK cars can get registered here; Even though common sense prevails, this is Europe and bureaucracy.

Apparently the procedure to obtain the carte grise normale ( car not old enough for carte grise collection) is the same as for a regular car but with the SVA certificate instead of the Certificate of Conformity for the vehicle.My friend recommends you go to the Sous Prefecture in person to argue your case as they will almost certainly initially reject it. However, as there have been a couple of successful applications , they should have got the hang of it. It is almost certainly going to be a bit of a struggle till the registration authorities catch up with this.

Now here is the good bit. If they reject you out of hand and are not prepared to register your car, tell them that you will be contacting 'Solvit' in Paris and they will be forced by them to comply. Solvit is a European body that has been set up to ensure that cross border regulations are being adhered to and to assist individuals who are being blocked by bureaucracy.
Web address is: www.europa.eu/ (http://www.europa.eu/) if you go on the site you can see what they do from examples of their successes. Hopefully you won't need to use the Solvit route but it is there if you need it.

My friend seems to know his stuff and is adamant that although it will be a test of patience, the authorities will have to comply in the end.

Worth a try EH, incidentally I keeping the Magnum for the moment to see how my health evolves, I trying to get back to the UK to have the interior renewed, you never know I may be out in it next summer

Regards
to all KJ

labeline
26-09-12, 08:25 AM
KJ

We have 'talked' before. Sorry to hear of your health problems. If I bring my Cobra to France next year and your health has improved and you have kept your Cobra maybe we can meet up. We have a place near Tayrac which is only about 20 minutes from Moissac. If I bring it over I will be looking to see whether I can get it registered there over the course of the year but if not I will be putting it into a carcoon in the barn once the insurance and MOT have run out.

Paul

bitsilly
26-09-12, 11:25 AM
No longer sure what you require, but if it is still the date of the build of the car or such details I would talk to Cheng.
If you don't like that idea for some reason, Ram is effectively now trading as Realm Engineering.
Home (http://www.realmengineering.com/)
Try and talk to them to see if they have any records (ask for Derek I think).
Your quoted chassis number is nothing like my chassis number by the way.
Also, I am fairly sure the V5 should give the date of registering as a Ram, not the original date of the Jaguar.

bitsilly
26-09-12, 11:29 AM
ps.
Queenie who posts here owns a Ram in France.
She also speaks French!
I would give her a PM (message through this site).

labeline
26-09-12, 11:36 AM
No longer sure what you require, but if it is still the date of the build of the car or such details I would talk to Cheng.
If you don't like that idea for some reason, Ram is effectively now trading as Realm Engineering.
Home (http://www.realmengineering.com/)
Try and talk to them to see if they have any records (ask for Derek I think).
Your quoted chassis number is nothing like my chassis number by the way.
Also, I am fairly sure the V5 should give the date of registering as a Ram, not the original date of the Jaguar.

Think it depends when it was registered. My Cobra shows 1978 on the V5. There is no reference to the date it was altered although I think that may have changed post SVA

aerodjet
26-09-12, 03:11 PM
Hi Bitsilly,
Thank you for your answer .
If , I understand correctly your message , the car 1052955 BW - of which I have a V5 Copy is register as : RAM , historic vehicule ,
Date of first registration : 01/04/1966 - does not wear a real RAM châssis number . I am afraid it is impossible to find a 1966 RAM . Perhaps Cheng could be able to help us .
Please , could you help me again in my inquiry ?
Cordialement
Alain
Ps : I just find the information about Queenie . Thanks to every body

queeniee
01-10-12, 04:27 PM
I gave to Aerodjet some informations concerning RAM and from the letter I received in 1997 from Cooking I learned that old records of RAM did not exist anymore. Fortunately, when I bought my RAM, it was already french registered so I had nothing to inquire about and I am afraid that things were a lot easier fifteen years ago than they are now.

aerodjet
05-10-12, 01:34 PM
Bonjour to everybody ?
Thank you about the very important informations you sent to me ...
I fund the complete history of the RAM I am trying to buy .
Everything is all right and , I am now sure to have the car correctly registered in France .
AMICALEMENT
Aerodjet

KJ164
05-10-12, 02:37 PM
Hi again
Great news for you, finally someone who can get their car properly registered in France.
Will it be a 'collection' Carte Gris or travel anywhere in France.

I would love to know how you did it or how you are going to do it.

It might just give me some hope in registering mine in France.

Buy the way where are you located in France I'm in the 82

Keep in touch with us on the forum,
Salutation
KJ

aerodjet
05-10-12, 03:45 PM
HI KJ
Perhaps are you a frenchman ?
If prefer to try to write english , to respect everybody in this Club .
I have not yet register the car ,.
I only prepared the file to ask register paper , but , it seems that it could be allright .

Since 3 years , there is no more restriction about the " Carte grise de collection " (tax exempt V5 in England) in France , due to a new European Law .
You can drive now where you want , when you want .
The most important difference is about the " Contrôle technique " ( french MOT) . With a normal "Carte grise "( V5) , you have to get it every 2 years , but with a "carte grise de collection" ( historc car V5 ) every 5 years .
I will tell you what happen now .
Amicalement
Aérodjet

labeline
05-10-12, 04:29 PM
Aérodjet
Bon chance! Let us know how you get on as there are a few of us who would be interested.

Paul

KJ164
05-10-12, 06:47 PM
HI KJ
Perhaps are you a frenchman ?
If prefer to try to write english , to respect everybody in this Club .
I have not yet register the car ,.
I only prepared the file to ask register paper , but , it seems that it could be allright .

Since 3 years , there is no more restriction about the " Carte grise de collection " (tax exempt V5 in England) in France , due to a new European Law .
You can drive now where you want , when you want .
The most important difference is about the " Contrôle technique " ( french MOT) . With a normal "Carte grise "( V5) , you have to get it every 2 years , but with a "carte grise de collection" ( historc car V5 ) every 5 years .
I will tell you what happen now .
Amicalement
Aérodjet


Hello Again Alain

No, I'm not French But have lived near (about 65 kilometres) from Toulouse in department 82. for 25 years

Having not had a 'Collection car' I did not realize that the 'collection' system was abandoned.
I do not want to contradict you but .I also/heard /thought and /understood that you could only drive a car in the country to which you have your license.
So I cannot legally run my UK registered Cobra whilst having a French License. HIre cars are of course exempt. And having lived here for so long I could hardly fool the local Gendarmerie running the Cobra on UK plates, that I do not live here.
So the alternative is to register the car in France and then control technique and insurances for the car can follow.

Ye, please let us know how you get on and what documents are required for the Carte Gris, I take it this is all being handled through your local Prefecture ?
BY THE WAY did you read the comment I posted on this forum ?, I wrote about European legislation for cars and the reference to 'SOLVIT.EU'
Keep in Touch and Salutations
KJ

labeline
05-10-12, 10:31 PM
Kevin

I think a lot of the issue is to try and register a car that has a history in France, i.e a make that is known. Not sure my Cobretti would qualify. When I took it for an MOT this year it didn't even register on the DVLA computer base! The French are going to wonder what is happening with all these Rosbifs bringing Cobras to France!

dinosoar
06-10-12, 06:42 PM
I have customer down in the South of France that has one of my Aston DBR1's. He has it insured as being a UK car permanently used in France with a letter from the insurers explaining this.
It will require the French MOT when it is three years old but apart from that all is peachy as far as I know.

Andy

KJ164
07-10-12, 08:09 AM
Hi again The more I read the more optimistic I become.
Do you think he still has a UK residence ? I have not but there are many way to have this !!!!
I asked at the local control technique (MOT station) and they are OK with controlling the vehicle, being a voluntary demand, so logically if the English MOT runs out then straight away you do the control I cannot see that being a problem if the Gendarmerie stops you
Slowly slowly catch the Monkey
I really looking forward to next spring we I hope my Cobra will be finished.
KJ

labeline
07-10-12, 09:34 AM
KJ

From what I have seen there are loads of English registered cars being driven about that live permanently in France but how they are MOT'd or CT'd I don't know. I know a friend of ours in Brittany who used to bring her car back every year for an MOT but that would be a pain with the Cobra. We are only going to be there for a year initially and I think I have that sorted but we will still have a UK address and driving licence. Once I have it there I will look into it. I have already made contact with Neil in Toulouse who has a control technique and drives on UK plates with French Insurance so it gives a starting point. I am still not convinced that gaining French registration is easy but there are moves afoot in the EU to make all member states accept cars that carry a registration in their own state so in theory if a car is registered correctly in the UK you should just be able to go along and get a registration in France in much the same way as you can swap a driving licence issued in one state for the licence of another state. How long it will take and whether the French will comply I do not know. We will have to wait and see.

Paul

tonym
07-10-12, 10:51 AM
whether the French will comply

I think you've hit the nail squarely on the head there Paul :-(

KJ164
07-10-12, 02:58 PM
Hi Paul - Cool move Just try it and see, when necessary) I'm optimistic as said;

The last statement of yours all makes sense and I believe the longer we have to do it in -In my case spring next year to bring the car over and then 12 Month with the UK reg MOT etc, - In 18 Months we shall be further up the road on this subject.
KJ

gilby
15-10-12, 08:53 AM
Lis tes messages privés "aerojet"
please , read your PM "aerodjet"

KJ164
16-10-12, 06:11 AM
Hi Gilby
There are no new PM's for me
KJ

labeline
16-10-12, 07:18 AM
Kevin

He was addressing the request to aerodjet