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eljaro
25-09-12, 10:02 AM
Hi you all,
I am known to some members in this Forums, like Lloyd Barnes who bought my toploader gearbox and Kevin Davies who bought my Wilwood brakes.
I own a Contemporary Cobra since 1990, which was build in the UK by Jim Blackburn, whom many of you probably knew. He took some of my money with him into the grave, and did not a very good job at building muy Cobra.
With time I had to remove almost every component off the car and fit it right or replace it. Engine broke twice, until I took the matter into my own hands and started doing everything myself. Well, engines kept on breaking, because my last Keithcraft 482cid aluminum sideoiler was ripped apart by a broken crankshaft ( Eagle cast crank, china made and machined). Now I am waiting for a new short block with a forged Scat 4340 crankshaft. Hope that one will last a bit longer.

The main reason to get into the UK Cobra forum ( I regularly post in Clubcobra ) is that I have a friend who has received a present from a relative in the UK, a badly rusted Cobra replica , which as you can see in the pictures is in a very sad state.
He wants me to make it run again and i am considering all the options.
Of course I see a lot of bolts breaking here and there and it can become an adventure with no end in sight.
Since I believe that removing the body from the frame in order to give it a good sandblast treatment is probably mandatory, I want to ask you all if you know what make this replica is.The only mark is some type of serial number, CN9G62N181980. Nothing else to be seen anywhere.
Can any of you tell me what make this replica is?
I include some pictures which may help in identifying the maker.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6205.jpg http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6204.jpg http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6203.jpg http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6202.jpg http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6209.jpg http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6147_zps6eddd665.jpg http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6143_zps3b93f0f8.jpg http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6148_zps3d94e1e1.jpg http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6200_zps2f64ba54.jpg http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6201_zps4093c06b.jpg)http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6204.jpg
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6203.jpg
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6202.jpg
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6209.jpg
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6147_zps6eddd665.jpg
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6143_zps3b93f0f8.jpg (http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6143_zps3b93f0f8.jpg)
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6148_zps3d94e1e1.jpg (http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6148_zps3d94e1e1.jpg)
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6200_zps2f64ba54.jpg (http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6200_zps2f64ba54.jpg)
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6201_zps4093c06b.jpg
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/IMG_6205.jpg

I thought it to be a Southern Roadcraft but "Clarkson" told me it is not. A Pilgrim then?
Anyway, thanks for any help you can give me

Stefan

KevinW
25-09-12, 01:06 PM
not sure what it is - maybe a RAM?
Doesnt look like a Pilgrim to me.

route66
25-09-12, 01:23 PM
My word that is rusty. Was it dredged up by a trawler? My first thought on seeing the sloping radiator was RAM.

dave
25-09-12, 03:39 PM
Not a RAM, no round tube chassis.

Purple AK
25-09-12, 04:21 PM
That Reg number looks familiar! It might be worth doing a check here OWR974P - Vehicle Registration Details | Reg Archive (http://regarchive.com/plate/OWR974P) but it will probably come back as a Jag or Daimler!

labeline
25-09-12, 04:55 PM
Did a check on the DVLA site but it did not come back with any hits on either Daimler or Jaguar. What a state it is in, I cannot begin to imagine the conditions that it has been stored in but they must have been pretty bad. Hope you manage to get it done and keep us updated!

Niall
25-09-12, 05:00 PM
Looks like the fuel filler cap is central so could be a Pilgrim?

labeline
25-09-12, 05:29 PM
Looks like the fuel filler cap is central so could be a Pilgrim?

The bulkheads don't look right for a Pilgrim of any marque and it is obviously quite old. I am not certain when Pilgrim started making Jag based cars. The handbrake is centrally mounted on the transmission tunnel which is Pilgrimesque but lots of cars have the centrally mounted fuel cap.

TonyD
25-09-12, 05:34 PM
Its got a Morris Marina expansion tank............




I'll get my coat.


Cheers,

Tony

dingocooke
25-09-12, 05:38 PM
Its registered as a 2015cc Ford reg 23 april 1976
Tax expired 29th nov 1991 colour blue, no year of manufacture....

labeline
25-09-12, 06:19 PM
Its registered as a 2015cc Ford reg 23 april 1976
Tax expired 29th nov 1991 colour blue, no year of manufacture....

Wonder how the owner managed that with a Jag based car with a V8 engine?

craggle
25-09-12, 06:49 PM
Before the days of SVA / IVA anything was possible so long as you had a V5 certificate.

It has a Ford engine I guess. :)

Craig.

eljaro
25-09-12, 06:50 PM
The bulkheads don't look right for a Pilgrim of any marque and it is obviously quite old. I am not certain when Pilgrim started making Jag based cars. The handbrake is centrally mounted on the transmission tunnel which is Pilgrimesque but lots of cars have the centrally mounted fuel cap.

I have checked and Pilgrim comes close, but you are right, the bulkhead is different, with the central flat surface missing. Tha gas tank is behind the seat and there are two strange cilindrical buckets sticking out from the central tub right behind the seats towards the rear, which you can only see through the rear wheelarches. Dont know what that is, maybe part of the gas tank? The car has a stereo, so it could also be speaker housings behind the seat. Have to check
The present owner says it originally was built for Nigel Mansell. Dont know why Nigel should have wanted a replica if for the money he was making he could have had an original one.
Tha car has been kept in a Container for over 5 Years, but the container leaked. So it ha gotten a great dose of humidity. Even the body has reverse osmosis and is full of bubbles.

craggle
25-09-12, 06:58 PM
There are bits of it that kind of resemble a Dax. The rear wishbone arms that come forward at 45° are very similar and the lower spring mounts on the front wishbones again look similar to standard Dax chassis as does the body shape.

There was a time when Dax produced bare bodies and sold them as they were without chassis before they got into developing and building the complete cars. Wonder if it's a very early Dax or a Dax body with a home designed chassis although it is a pretty good looking chassis if it was home built.

Craig.

Purple AK
25-09-12, 06:59 PM
Pictures of the pedals/brake cylinder etc might help. (also rear suspension with the wheel removed)

david hemmings
25-09-12, 07:26 PM
Would it be a 1980 kit going by last bitof chassis number If is a date

Purple AK
25-09-12, 07:33 PM
I suspect the vin number might actually relate to the Donor (uses word loosely) I did think as you David, but that would have meant the donor was only 4 years old when the car was built.

david hemmings
25-09-12, 07:47 PM
I noticed that too a 1976 p Reg. just wondered ifmaybe the donor could have been a salvage/ damaged car, just an idea the car looks pretty old

Clarkson
25-09-12, 08:06 PM
Looking at the pics again it looks like a very early Dax. Foot wells and also notice the steering racks is behind the front wheels.

KevinW
25-09-12, 08:23 PM
what was the name of that very expensive kit you could get at leatst till the 90s - bit like a jag interior with a cobra body?
run by a one man band outside cambridge somewhere, cant think of the name. usually had BBs fitted.

Purple AK
25-09-12, 09:05 PM
what was the name of that very expensive kit you could get at leatst till the 90s - bit like a jag interior with a cobra body?
run by a one man band outside cambridge somewhere, cant think of the name. usually had BBs fitted.Metaline.....

Purple AK
25-09-12, 09:07 PM
Their ad in the mags inspired my colour !

FatBoy
26-09-12, 06:51 AM
I don't think it is a Metaline.
The story of it having been built for Mansell rings a bell with me, but I can't recall why at this moment. I'll keep thinking and see if anything comes back to me.

Paul

labeline
26-09-12, 07:21 AM
According to some info I found on the net, Metaline used full length rear suspension . This one has dished rear wheels so must have shortened suspension so Paul is right.

Purple AK
26-09-12, 11:26 AM
Sorry I wasn't suggesting it was a Metaline. But mearly reminding Kev of the name he couldn't remember. ;-)

KevinW
26-09-12, 01:23 PM
Thank you Chris - that was the name i was looking for, as i thought there was a Nigel Mansell connection there.
But obviously wrong. Pic here
Webshots Rides offers thousands of the best car wallpapers. (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2402634480101135269uMBwTW)

looks dished at the rear, anyhow, i just remembered the metaline has a funny upright scoop, so it aint that.

Maybe a GE?

dinosoar
26-09-12, 05:02 PM
I reckon it is an early Dax. It looks very similar in some areas to the one I used to have.
Mid eighties I think. The steering rack position is a bit of a giveaway as well as the look of the end of the steering arm.
I ended up cutting off the front suspension and replacing with more modern Dax setup. It really improved the braking and handling.

Andy

Steve
26-09-12, 11:43 PM
bonnet hinge looks dax, as do the side vents, rear arch shape. the front over rider mounts bolt to a plate you can see through the brake vents, again, looks like dax. the floor panel looks dax like, but looks welded plate, but perhaps early cars were like that or modified

Neil O
27-09-12, 06:45 AM
I don't think it is a Metaline.
The story of it having been built for Mansell rings a bell with me, but I can't recall why at this moment. I'll keep thinking and see if anything comes back to me.

Paul

Mansell used to live near me and I had heard he had a Cobra replica built for him.
Metaline rings a bell too.
I'll ask some people down here who knew Nigel.

eljaro
27-09-12, 07:42 AM
here are some more pictures
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/th_IMG_6220.jpg (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/?action=view&current=IMG_6220.jpg)
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/th_IMG_6219.jpg (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/?action=view&current=IMG_6219.jpg)
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/th_IMG_6218.jpg (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/?action=view&current=IMG_6218.jpg)
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/th_IMG_6217.jpg (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/?action=view&current=IMG_6217.jpg)
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/th_IMG_6216.jpg (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/?action=view&current=IMG_6216.jpg)
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/th_IMG_6214.jpg (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/?action=view&current=IMG_6214.jpg)
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/th_IMG_6213.jpg (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/?action=view&current=IMG_6213.jpg)
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/th_IMG_6221.jpg (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft/?action=view&current=IMG_6221.jpg)

labeline
27-09-12, 08:26 AM
Isn't it amazing that Cobra Replicas have now entered the era of being barn finds (in this case container) to be restored. Although to be fair this Cob is in far worse condition than most barn finds I have seen. When I bought our place in France I was hoping to find some old French classic lying around in the barn but all I found was mice.

Neil O
27-09-12, 03:53 PM
http://www.cobraclub.com/forum/general-cobra-discussion/143-famous-people.html

Back in 2001 a guest posted here about Mansell owning a Metalline.
No knowledge of who he/she was though.

I'm still checking locally.

dinosoar
27-09-12, 07:13 PM
bonnet hinge looks dax, as do the side vents, rear arch shape. the front over rider mounts bolt to a plate you can see through the brake vents, again, looks like dax. the floor panel looks dax like, but looks welded plate, but perhaps early cars were like that or modified

Mine had fully sheeted / welded floors. The rear bulkhead slopes forward at a steeper angle than current stuff and the tunnel had a flat top with short angled sections before turning vertical.

eljaro
28-09-12, 09:43 AM
I think this is an early DAX chassis.
There are some pictures in this thread which are very similar to the front part of the chassis
http://www.cobraclub.com/forum/dax-technical-questions/26831-early-dax-chassis.html

eljaro
14-11-12, 11:55 PM
Here are some pictures of the disassembled car.Body is off and I am removing everything from the chassis in oder to have it sandblasted. Driveline components and all suspension parts are going to get same treatment.

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/th_IMG_6299.jpg (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/?action=view&current=IMG_6299.jpg)
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/th_IMG_6271.jpg (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/?action=view&current=IMG_6271.jpg)
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/th_IMG_6272.jpg (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/?action=view&current=IMG_6272.jpg)
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/th_IMG_6273.jpg (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/?action=view&current=IMG_6273.jpg)
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/th_IMG_6274.jpg (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/?action=view&current=IMG_6274.jpg)
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/th_IMG_6277.jpg (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/?action=view&current=IMG_6277.jpg)
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/th_IMG_6283.jpg (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/?action=view&current=IMG_6283.jpg)
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/th_IMG_6289.jpg (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/lomejoronline/?action=view&current=IMG_6289.jpg)

kdavies3
15-11-12, 08:53 AM
Hi Stefan,
you've some work ahead of you there chap!
Keep up the good work. :D
I'm sure it'll look like new after blasting but you'll to get everything painted or coated very soon as it rust faster than a speeding bullet. :rolleyes:
Are you going to carry out the Dax chassis mods while you're at it?

Miket
15-11-12, 09:44 AM
Looks very similar to an old AK chassis. :confused:

FatBoy
15-11-12, 12:28 PM
.....rust faster than a speeding bullet. :rolleyes:

Are speeding bullets that renowned for going rusty? ;)

kdavies3
15-11-12, 03:04 PM
You know what I mean Smartass. :D

TINKA
15-11-12, 04:34 PM
I would not leave the body like that for long as it will sag and you will have problems then refitting it with things like door shuts. It needs to be stored properly as near as you can the way it will sit on the chassis.

garyjettrike
15-11-12, 09:41 PM
Yes its a dax nearly 30 year old the chassis was made by pat hanson or track enginering and only the anccillary brackets made by dax, my first year working there was spent makeing jigs for the new dax chassis and these were being sent out during that time it will have a chassis number starting with BOP or TRACK thats if it hasnt been rung with a jag chassis number, you mite want to do something with the front end the steering geomatry was terible you can buy a front subframe to weld on to bring it up to later spec.

ccbm
20-11-12, 12:39 PM
Frame and wishbones cannot be Pilgrim.

Russ-Notts
20-11-12, 01:54 PM
Looks very similar to the chassis I have, one of the Hanson BOPx xx variants. You'll find a chassis number stamped on the top middle of the front cross-member in front of the crankshaft pulley. My chassis was ordered from DAX in the latter half of 1983. The lower shock absorber mounts to your front lower wishbones look like the the later ones than I have and I have seen these used on an 1985 DAX-built chassis. So my guess is that your DAX was produced around 1984-5.

Russ.

iain1953
20-11-12, 08:35 PM
The bits of chassis that are visible look very much like my early Dax (1988-ish) but the bonnet air intake is wrong for a Dax (should be wider or narrower) and the front whell arch flares look wrong. I'll now go back to ironing my anoraks in alphabetical order.

iain1953
20-11-12, 09:11 PM
... and I'll read to the end next time, before posting after more expert comments have arrived...

eljaro
11-05-14, 04:39 PM
Finally got this replica which is very similar to the AK finished last year.
When trying to fit the seats I found myself with the frame rails protruding into the cabin and making the fitting area very narrow. Needed to get new narrower seats.
Here is how the car looks now
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Link to see images of restauration process SouthernRoadcraft Photos by lomejoronline | Photobucket (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lomejoronline/library/Cobra/SouthernRoadcraft)

kdavies3
12-05-14, 08:50 AM
Well done Fella! :)