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ekuhn2822
02-10-12, 09:39 PM
Dear All,

I am new here and of course looking to meet my childhood dream in the near future. V8 Cobra YEAH!!!
Not sure where to start as there are so many kit car companies out there. I guess it will come down to my budget.

It must have a Yank V8 for sure. I also like the GT stripes, role hoops and side exhaust pipes. But it seems difficult to find one with all the bells in whistles according to my taste. However I feel these things can be done with time. After all its a project!
How easy is it to find the extra's? And will they fit the specific Cobra?!?!?!?

Then some questions:
1) Is it easy to fit role hoops or does it depend on the poistion of the fuel tank?
2) Side pipes, I assume you need a specialist to have this sort of thing fitted? Do I need to condsider dB noise level to fail MOT?
3) Who does the GT stripes? Any company suggestions?
4) How easy is to find pars for these cars? Or is is all dependant on the specific doner car? An engine?

Excuse all my ignorance!
Would appreciate the help!

Kind Regards,
Eckhardt

TINKA
02-10-12, 10:41 PM
Hi Eckhardt :confused: and welcome to the fold, to be honest with you the things you have listed are actually fairly common on most Cobras. Have a look on the for sale section and most important if you do see something somewhere it is worth posting on here to see if anyone knows anything about it. You can look at Hallmark or Sovereign cars as they specialize in this sort of car but you will end up paying nearly £10,000 over the odds. Of course your budget will be the limiting factor. Piston Heads is also worth a look.

Good luck whatever you chose.

KevinW
03-10-12, 01:00 AM
all requirements (unless you want twin hoops) are standard build features on a crendon ;)

Crendon Replicas : Gallery Page 3 (http://www.crendonreplicas.com/gallery3.html)

well, to be fair, they are fairly standard fitment on most cobra replicas. Really depends on what other things you might want on your toy.

are you planning to build, or buy second hand?

Neil O
03-10-12, 09:05 AM
Welcome Eckhart, there are three questions you need to answer before any serious advice can be given;

1. What is your budget?
2. What is your budget?
3. What is your budget?

Happy to help. :)

cobracol
03-10-12, 10:57 AM
Hello and Welcome Eckhardt, as already said, most of the features you mention are common to our cars, but its not clear from your post wether you want to build or buy, do you have a definate budget?, £30+ to buy or build top notch cobra, 25k will build or buy you a very decent cobra, 20k or less and some compromises in spec or quality will have to be made, build and parts quality dictate the price to some extent.
If you are planning to buy a built cob and modify it, some changes will be easier than others, engine make is probably one of the hardest changes to do, so go for the make you want, generally headers and side pipes will be custom made at about 2k, noise level is currently not an MOT issue, my stripes which were vinyl (from halfords) on gelcoat cost £20 fitted myself, for paint stripes expect £400+, most kits are easily able to be converted to double hoops (braced or unbraced), Europa, S&J chorley, stafford vehicle components (SVC), Car builder supplies, ect. and many others all supply parts for the kit/cobra industry.
BTW Rover V8 was made by Buick, so could be considered a yank also just in case you hadent considered one

ekuhn2822
03-10-12, 07:57 PM
Hi All!

Wow thanks for the quick response much appreciated! What a warm welcome!
Sorry I had to mention I would like to buy a second hand one already build. I dont mind to have things done over time by myself or who ever (i.e. side pipes). But I dont have the facilities to build one from scratch. Basically my garage is not big enough.
Well my budget is in the '20k or less' range. Would love to have a bigger budget but dont we all!

I have been reading alot of Forums on this site and Pistonheads/ClassicCarsForSale is my new favourite pass time!

Basically I found the following in mind:
Sports And Prestige Centre : AC Cobra HAYDEN 5.7 ONE OWNER ONLY 2K FSH (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3758426.htm)
I like this one but scared about support. Do you think it would be difficult to maintain this one? In terms of non standard parts? Is it possible?

Kit Cars : Cobra Replica 5.7L V8 (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4119179.htm)
How is the Pilgrim Sumo Mk3 with JAg running gear?

AC Cobra Replica By ARNTZ For Sale, classic cars for sale uk (Car: advert number 176919) | Classic Cars For Sale (http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-page/176919/1980-ac-cobra-replica-by-arntz/)
Not reallt sure about this one, there is something strange with the right back spacing?!?!? Do you see it?

George Mackay LTD : AC COBRA 427 DAX 5.0 V8 MUSTANG ENGINE (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3973778.htm)
Nice, but Scotland is a bit far (for now)

Never knew about Crendon, they are nice!!!

Thanks for setting me straight on the Rover engine.

Cheers for now!
Eckhardt

ekuhn2822
03-10-12, 10:48 PM
Hi All,

Thanks for the quick response, makes for a warm welcome!

I did not know about Crendon, they look very nice!
Also thanks for setting me straight on Rover engine.

I am looking for second hand Cobra (already build), dont mind doing the finishing touches/updates but don’t have room in my garage to take up a build from scratch. My budget is around the '20K or less' region. Wish I had more but don’t we all!!! Getting the right look for my Cobra over time i.e. fitting side pipes/GT stripes etc seems very possible.

I have read a couple of the Forums on this site and also been surfing ClassicCarsForSale/Pistonheads etc.

I found these:
Sports And Prestige Centre : AC Cobra HAYDEN 5.7 ONE OWNER ONLY 2K FSH (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3758426.htm)
Looks very nice but not sure how much I will struggle to maintain it.

Kit Cars : Cobra Replica 5.7L V8 (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4119179.htm)
Who do you rate a Pilgrim Sumo Mk3? Jag running gear.

AC Cobra Replica By ARNTZ For Sale, classic cars for sale uk (Car: advert number 176919) | Classic Cars For Sale (http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-page/176919/1980-ac-cobra-replica-by-arntz/)
Seems a bit dated. Also spacing at rear right wheel looks odd.

George Mackay LTD : AC COBRA 427 DAX 5.0 V8 MUSTANG ENGINE (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3973778.htm)
Looks nice but I need to make a trip to Scotland L

Please let me know your comments.

Thanks
Eckhardt

ekuhn2822
05-10-12, 04:03 PM
Hi All,


Thanks for the quick response, makes for a warm welcome! Sorry for only posting now but had issues with the post due to web links I added in the post?!?!!?

The Crendon Cobra's are nice, did not know about them.
Also thanks for setting me straight about the Buick/Yank engine!

I am looking for second hand Cobra (already build), dont mind doing the finishing touches/updates but don’t have room in my garage to take up a build from scratch. My budget is around the '20K or less' region. Wish I had more but don’t we all!!! Getting the right look for my Cobra over time i.e. fitting side pipes/GT stripes etc seems very possible.

I have read a couple of the Forums on this site and also been surfing ClassicCarsForSale/Pistonheads etc.

I found these:

1)
Pistonheads, Hayden cobra
Looks very nice but not sure how much I will struggle to maintain it.

2)
Pistonheads, Pilgrim Sumo Mk3
How do you rate a Pilgrim Sumo Mk3? Jag running gear.

3)
ClassicCarsForSale, ARNTZ
Seems a bit dated. Also spacing at rear right wheel looks odd. Fixable?

4)
PistonHeads, Very nice DAX Cobra with 5.0L V8 Mustang engine.
Only issue its in Scotland L

Please let me know your comments. I tried copying the web links but then I struggle to get the post on the Forum.

Thanks
Eckhardt

labeline
05-10-12, 04:22 PM
Eckhard

If you buy a Cobra from a dealer you will pay well over the odds for it as they need to cover their overheads. If you look on the forum you will often find Cobras for sale admittedly most over £20k but some not much over. It may be worth saving a bit extra and looking around the £22k mark. There are a lot of older Cobra's for less, mine included but if you buy something good then you can spend the money on getting it how you want it in the future and it will be a worthwhile project. Do loads of research as to what will be the best investment in terms of makes and speak to as many owners as you can. There is really no better source of information than owners as they have made the mistakes and are keen to pass on the information. Some will also know the car being sold and can advise you. I would not criticise any particular make as I now have the benefit of experience but bearing in mind this is a big chunk of money you will want to get it right. Some are better or at least more desirable than others. Resist the temptation to buy on impulse which means using your head instead of your heart. Advice I should have listened to myself!

Paul

TINKA
05-10-12, 04:23 PM
Are these 2 of the ones you have seen cant find the other 2

Sports And Prestige Centre : AC Cobra HAYDEN 5.7 ONE OWNER ONLY 2K FSH (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3758426.htm)


George Mackay LTD : AC COBRA 427 DAX 5.0 V8 MUSTANG ENGINE (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3973778.htm)

cobracol
05-10-12, 05:07 PM
Quote> I am looking for second hand Cobra (already build), dont mind doing the finishing touches/updates but don’t have room in my garage to take up a build from scratch.< Quote

if you have room for a cobra, then you have room to build one! ;), buying second hand privately is cheaper but can be fraught with danger, so buy with your head not with your heart, remember these are not your normal car, thats why only specialists normally will deal with them, yes you will pay more from a dealer, but they will have hopefully made shure the car is ok before they bought it, or fixed it before they sell it on, though you do pay for it.

The Hayden one is a bit of an unknown, it has been for sale for ages, the Dax one you mention would be a much better buy

labeline
05-10-12, 05:08 PM
Eckhard

Forgot to say, whatever you buy make sure it is correctly registered and not shown as a Jaguar Sports or a Daimler Hearse 2 seater sports etc!

labeline
05-10-12, 05:21 PM
Quote> I am looking for second hand Cobra (already build), dont mind doing the finishing touches/updates but don’t have room in my garage to take up a build from scratch.< Quote

if you have room for a cobra, then you have room to build one! ;), buying second hand privately is cheaper but can be fraught with danger, so buy with your head not with your heart, remember these are not your normal car, thats why only specialists normally will deal with them, yes you will pay more from a dealer, but they will have hopefully made shure the car is ok before they bought it, or fixed it before they sell it on, though you do pay for it.

The Hayden one is a bit of an unknown, it has been for sale for ages, the Dax one you mention would be a much better buy

What he said.

Shame that the Dax has the air filter protruding through the bonnet, makes me think the engine is too high or the inlet manifold needs changing for a lower one. Whatever, it means it needs sorting and a new bonnet. Hopefully it's correctly registered.

Paul

eric3472
05-10-12, 06:57 PM
Hi Eckhardt

You have a PM about a car that might meet your needs

Craig

ekuhn2822
06-10-12, 10:43 AM
Hi All,

Thanks for the advise, not easy buying with your head when your hart is feeling so strong :-)

Yes those are the 2 I was looking at (Hayden and DAX). The ARNTZ is on the ClassicCarsForSale website, search under AC keywords Cobra.
Seems the Pilgrim Sumo Mk3 is taken off. What do you think about a Sumo with jag running gear?

What issues come with incorrectly registered car? I assume it should be as simple as a DAX is registered as a DAX?
The Hayden is registered as DART Engineering.

Its a bit strange that the air filter sits outside the bonnet on that DAX.

Cheers
Eck

labeline
06-10-12, 11:26 AM
Hi All,

Thanks for the advise, not easy buying with your head when your hart is feeling so strong :-)

Yes those are the 2 I was looking at (Hayden and DAX). The ARNTZ is on the ClassicCarsForSale website, search under AC keywords Cobra.
Seems the Pilgrim Sumo Mk3 is taken off. What do you think about a Sumo with jag running gear?

What issues come with incorrectly registered car? I assume it should be as simple as a DAX is registered as a DAX?
The Hayden is registered as DART Engineering.

Its a bit strange that the air filter sits outside the bonnet on that DAX.

Cheers
Eck


Yes it is difficult but I would argue it is a must speaking as someone who's heart overruled his head!

As for registration, if it is not registered correctly then as a minimum it should not be able to get an MOT. At the worst, if the police stop you and it is registered as say a Jag 2 seater sports then they can refer it to the DVLA who will want to inspect it. They would then tell you that you need to get it correctly registered which would mean putting it through an IVA. Unless it has been built to IVA standards (unlikely in most cases) it would fail which would mean that you would have to make it comply with IVA standards which would at least mean replacing many parts or at worst a total rebuild. I would argue that an incorrectly registered Cobra is virtually worthless on the open market.

The air filter through the bonnet on the DAX rings warning bells to me.

Paul

cobracol
06-10-12, 06:57 PM
Hi All,

Thanks for the advise, not easy buying with your head when your hart is feeling so strong :-)

Yes those are the 2 I was looking at (Hayden and DAX). The ARNTZ is on the ClassicCarsForSale website, search under AC keywords Cobra.
Seems the Pilgrim Sumo Mk3 is taken off. What do you think about a Sumo with jag running gear?

What issues come with incorrectly registered car? I assume it should be as simple as a DAX is registered as a DAX?
The Hayden is registered as DART Engineering.

Its a bit strange that the air filter sits outside the bonnet on that DAX.

Cheers
Eck

it is ok if the car is registered as a cobra kit ect. but not as a Jag, as the registration describes what the car is, which of course is no longer anything like a Jag, so the police are likely to take an unhealthy interest, if it is registered as a Jag there is a chap called Paul Jepson who can re-register incorrectly registered on the road kit cars for a small fee, without doing an iva, but buying one correctly registered in the first place is the best bet!
As for the Dax one, that is what can happen when you fit an engine it wasnt designed to take, but a new hi rise 'jewish nosed' bonnet may clear it

labeline
06-10-12, 07:29 PM
Just looked at the website, the Dax is an auto which is not one of the things you wanted and you are talking big bucks to change it to a manual. Think you should cross this one off the list. The Hayden is too unusual as well. just look at the threads on the forum that discuss this car.Latest Used Cars For Sale in Edinburgh - George Mackay (http://www.georgemackay.co.uk/746/used-cars.htm)

cobracol
07-10-12, 02:24 AM
hadnt spotted the auto, good point, but whats the George Mackay all about!, just sends you to a general site

labeline
07-10-12, 09:21 AM
hadnt spotted the auto, good point, but whats the George Mackay all about!, just sends you to a general site

I noticed the link didn't take you straight to the car but if you scroll down the Dax is there with some interior shots.

Neil O
08-10-12, 05:05 AM
Eck, try giving Anthony at Absolute Horsepower a call. He may well have what you are looking for.
Absolute Horsepower Ltd - Home (http://www.absolutehorsepower.co.uk/)

What Paul said about budget is correct. You will get so much more for 22k than you will for under 20k.

A wrongly registered car is not valueless but it is not something for the inexperienced to buy.
There are ways to put it right but you would need to do your research and be confident that you can get it done.

ekuhn2822
08-10-12, 10:46 PM
Hi All,

I have seen the Pilgrim Sumo Mk3 this weekend, looked very nice inside out. It was registered as Pilgrim Kit , I assume this is the sort of thing you want to see?
It had did not have role hoops but a a roll bar that went from side to side. Is it safe to assume roll hoops cannot be fitted as the petrol tank is in the way?
It seemed the roll bar went through the body and end up each side of the petrol tank. I seemed the tank will be in the way.
Also the Cobra had 235/60/R15 at the back, I understand with shorter drive shaft a nicer fatter tyre could be fitted at the back? Could some explain what different types of Jag running gear you get at the back to allow wider/ thinner tyres at the back?
Something else bother me... If you looked the car from the side the nose seem to be in the air. Is this design intent for a Mk3? Looks a bit strange, not sure if its possible/easy to lower the from. Its also Jag running gear, but does the suspension need moving on the chassis?

As for my taste.. Manual vs Auto
As a rule does the big V8 pair nicely with manual boxes or are the better suited to an Auto? The Pilgrim I saw had an Manual, it sometimes seemed to struggle to get in reverse. The gearbox was a Tremec 350? Any experts on this?

I have read the most of the post about the Hayden, just seems as its not known people are scared to take on the kit. Maybe its good? Who knows...

Oh another question, does anybody know anything about registering a Cobra abroad (Germany). I might need to work there for while and of course would like to take my pride and joy with (and my wife) :-)

Interested to hear about the ARNTZ....

Cheers
Eckhardt

cobracol
09-10-12, 08:53 AM
Lester (Bloke from stoke) has changed his roll bar from double to two singles (no doubt with big help from Rob), so is dooable, Auto box is of limited appeal in these cars, the Hayden cobra (Brightwheel?) apparently used to be an utter knightmare to build, and probably repair, and as a result gained the kit a poor reputation, and this affects the value of the model, its probably quite a good car for the brave. From the little i know about registering in Germany i believe the cars need to be pre '72

labeline
09-10-12, 11:05 AM
Lester (Bloke from stoke) has changed his roll bar from double to two singles (no doubt with big help from Rob), so is dooable, Auto box is of limited appeal in these cars, the Hayden cobra (Brightwheel?) apparently used to be an utter knightmare to build, and probably repair, and as a result gained the kit a poor reputation, and this affects the value of the model, its probably quite a good car for the brave. From the little i know about registering in Germany i believe the cars need to be pre '72

Not sure about the Haydon being in any way related to Brightwheel or any of its derivatives, the bodywork and the chassis are completely wrong although I would testify to the difficulty of the build of any of the Brightwheel family. I can't see that repairs to a Brightwheel type would be any more difficult than for any Cobra replica as any damage is going to require new bodywork which is still available from Cobretti but I cannot vouch for a Haydon which to be honest I would avoid. As for the autobox, if you are of diminutive stature, i.e not a normal 6foot plus :) then you would not need one as they are born of necessity rather than choice. In a pre-built car you may struggle for space if you are tall in which case an auto may suit you better. It depends what you want to use the car for. I don't put mine on the circuit so it doesn't matter to me that I don't have gears to change but if I ever did another I would try to make it manual. Some of the changes you are talking about are going to be hugely expensive to achieve, changing from a double hoop to a single will mean a respray. As the owner of an out of favour Cobra I would recommend that you stick to one of the major marques if you want to get the most from your car and your investment. You can tell from this forum those the members accept as a decent investment and those that they don't.

Good luck and take your time.

ekuhn2822
09-10-12, 08:53 PM
The Hayden is not related to the Brightwheel as far as I am aware.

I am not that tall so an Manual gb would be fine and loads more fun!

Was there any comments on the Mk3 nose which is a bit in the air? Easy to get dropped?

Where does one look for insurance for these vehicles?

labeline
09-10-12, 09:10 PM
I am not that tall so an Manual gb would be fine and loads more fun!

Don't you believe it. It will be different that's all. All Cobras are fun.

ekuhn2822
09-10-12, 09:22 PM
Point taken!!!! :-)