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ThePornStarfish
02-08-13, 09:00 PM
Hey guys,

Thought i should introduce myself as i have been lurking and reading here for a while and have finally decided to take the plunge to build a Cobra kit :)

I have so far narrowed down my choice of cars to Ak and Pilgrim. I was originally swayed by the Ak but am now swaying more toward pilgrim as i prefer the idea of a sierra donor over a jag and pilgrim already have torn down sierra parts on hand...

After reading the many posts about the future of Pilgrim recently i decided to take a trip down to meet Den myself and see whats happening. I am glad to say Den appears to be doing very well :) He spent a long time talking to me about Pilgrim, the situation.., parts availability, prototypes.., previous build issues, etc... and was glad to answer any questions i had.

Glad to say Pilgrim certainly seem to be doing well, and as long as i buy the 'Pilgrim specific' parts in one go then i cant see there being any issues.

Now i just have to hunt down a lock up (my house does not have one) to build the car in and i can grab myself a kit and get to work!

Thats the plan anyway :)

Watch this space!

britbits
02-08-13, 09:21 PM
welcome to the fold happy hunting, and enjoy the build regards Dave B

ThePornStarfish
03-08-13, 02:29 PM
Hi Dave,

I have located 3 different garages in my area (south east london) for around £17 per week, however i am still going to try and get one through the council as it works out around £30 per month :)

I'll be going to the AK open day next sunday to make my final decision over Pilgrim/AK. I think my bank balance is quivering in anticipation :)

Jay.

dgosumo
03-08-13, 03:13 PM
Hey guys,

Thought i should introduce myself as i have been lurking and reading here for a while and have finally decided to take the plunge to build a Cobra kit :)

I have so far narrowed down my choice of cars to Ak and Pilgrim. I was originally swayed by the Ak but am now swaying more toward pilgrim as i prefer the idea of a sierra donor over a jag and pilgrim already have torn down sierra parts on hand...

After reading the many posts about the future of Pilgrim recently i decided to take a trip down to meet Den myself and see whats happening. I am glad to say Den appears to be doing very well :) He spent a long time talking to me about Pilgrim, the situation.., parts availability, prototypes.., previous build issues, etc... and was glad to answer any questions i had.

Glad to say Pilgrim certainly seem to be doing well, and as long as i buy the 'Pilgrim specific' parts in one go then i cant see there being any issues.

Now i just have to hunt down a lock up (my house does not have one) to build the car in and i can grab myself a kit and get to work!

Thats the plan anyway :)

Watch this space!

First of all WELCOME!

Good to hear they're busy. I must say I had decent service through their ebay store - my overriders arrived nice and shiny this morning

craggle
03-08-13, 07:57 PM
Have you been to Dax cars yet?

They have an open day on the 7th of September where you will be able to see all manner of finished customers cars. Only a short drive for you too if your South West London. :)

Craig.

Easylife
03-08-13, 08:11 PM
Welcome , it was with trepidation that I started my buid a little while ago got some great advise here on the forum , just to clarify your donor parts should come from 1 donor vehicle with the v5 as to avoid the Q plate situation.
if I'm wrong someone will be along to rearrange my wording lol
good luck
simon

ThePornStarfish
03-08-13, 10:05 PM
Thanks for the welcome!

I'm heading to the AK open day next sunday to see some other options to the pilgrim. I didnt realise Dax had an open day so soon so maybe i'll hold fire on buying one until then.

I checked out the Dax kits but could not see if they made engine mounts for v6 options (I plan to drive it alot and thus would like a less thirsty beast!) I fired them an email but am yet to hear back. Would be great to see some up close though!

Ahh yes! the dreaded Q plate! i believe you are right in that they 'should' come from the same donor vehicle, such a shame they are so hard to find! (maybe a jag donor would be the better option after all...)

Den said the ebay store was going well so its great to hear people are getting a good service!

Thanks for the advice guys, i'm now wondering if it would be worth taking a trip down to Dax anyway before the open day...

Cheers,
Jay

craggle
03-08-13, 10:50 PM
Hi Jay

I'm sure a trip to Dax would be worth it, Lots to see and an awesome demonstrator but it is fair to say their cars are set up for V8 engines. You could mention a V6 to them but I doubt they will be keen as it would be difficult to recommend spring and damper rates to suit the car and the handling could be affected. If you really do have your heart set on a V6 then a single donor from Pilgrim is the best and probably, only option.
Dax may still do the option of using a Jag straight 6 but probably many years since they had an order for one.

Have you thought about a Rover V8? Only 3.5 litres in their smallest form and can be pretty economical in a light car with EFI or a well set up carb.

Craig.

ThePornStarfish
03-08-13, 11:17 PM
Hi Craig,

I have indeed considered the Rover V8 (Still am) hmmmm... The only reason i was considering the V6 was due to the amount i would be driving it and thus wanted it to be less thirsty, but then again, maybe i wouldn't be doing it justice with such a small engine...

I'll head down to Ak and Dax, see what i can find out in terms of donors and engines then way up the pro's and cons.
I have to admit i've just had a very long look on the Dax website... didnt realise the prices were that competitive :)

Cheers,
Jay

KevinW
04-08-13, 01:16 AM
I see you are only 25 - OK you'd probably be 28+ when you finally finished your car, but have you checked out insurance quotes, particularly as you are living in London.

Lloyd Barnes
04-08-13, 09:34 AM
Put a Rover V8 in it... As Craig says it won't be that much different in economy terms and you'll kick yourself afterwards if you don't. You'll also find the car has a much higher resale value should you need or want to sel :-)

KevinW
04-08-13, 10:01 AM
.... what Lloyd said.

ThePornStarfish
10-08-13, 11:53 PM
Hi all!

Sorry for the late reply! Have just got back from holiday :)

I am indeed only 25 and as you say it will take me many moons to finish the project. I havn't checked any quotes yet (should probably get a move on!) but i am hoping it will be low due to my profession. (It has drastically lowered all my quotes for non kit cars)

I have to admit i am now swaying more toward the V8, I want to do the car justice and a V6 just wouldn't do that.

I'm heading down to the AK open day tomorrow and will be heading down to DAX next weekend, so hopefully i'll be a bit closer to deciding on a chassis.

Thanks for all your help guys!

Regards,
Jay

FatBoy
11-08-13, 09:00 AM
A belated welcome to the nut house.

I agree with what others have said, if you fit anything other than a V8, you will regret it sooner or later, if not immediately. Two other points come to mind, if you're concerned about fuel economy, a Cobra is probably not the right car and you have said that you intend to drive it a lot, which is good. However, don't kid yourself that you could use a Cobra as a daily driver, your can't, unless you are a committed masochist as well as certifiably insane. A few others have tried, but they were probably a bit "special". :) A Cobra is a toy for high days and holidays and if you use it as your daily transport, the car will undoubtedly suffer as a result and you will probably end up hating it, which would be a shame.

Other than that, enjoy the experience. :)

Paul

cobracol
11-08-13, 09:49 AM
Welcome to the club!. Did you say you have some experience with kit cars?, not cobras I assume?, as you would probably not contemplate one as a daily driver!;) (respect if you decide to though!:D), I love my Cobra, but its not a car I would want to use everyday, it is no fun driving in traffic with a big thirsty engine and heavy clutch ect, very enjoyable on the open road though, and will be a very rewarding build. Hope you enjoy your visit to AK open day (Sun 11 Aug), they are a great bunch, and you will come away with a huge smile, a head full of knowledge, and a heart full of longing!, don't think ill be at the open day unfortunately as it is quite a run for me :(, but please give the guys my regards!. Regards Col (Cobracol)

ThePornStarfish
13-08-13, 11:32 AM
I went to the open day at AK on sunday (11th Aug) and WOW!

Went for a ride in Jons cobra with the supercharged LS3. I have thus decided i would be insane to put a tiny engine in a cobra. So now comes the question of Rover V8 (3.5), small block chevy, or ford?

I noticed as well that AK do an adapter for Jag transmission, does that mean i can run the Jag gear box with either a Rover, Chevy or Ford engine?

Also when i said i'd be driving it alot i kinda meant most weekends, (although it sounds like i meant it to be an every day driver :p )

Once again guys, thanks for your advice :)

markharnett
13-08-13, 11:41 AM
I went to the open day at AK on sunday (11th Aug) and WOW!

Went for a ride in Jons cobra with the supercharged LS3. I have thus decided i would be insane to put a tiny engine in a cobra. So now comes the question of Rover V8 (3.5), small block chevy, or ford?

I noticed as well that AK do an adapter for Jag transmission, does that mean i can run the Jag gear box with either a Rover, Chevy or Ford engine?

Also when i said i'd be driving it alot i kinda meant most weekends, (although it sounds like i meant it to be an every day driver :p )

Once again guys, thanks for your advice :)


That demo car is ridiculous isn't it!

RV8 is the cheapest option, but limited in terms of power IMHO (all the reading I have done seems to point towards them being very expensive to tune to any sensible level).
I am personally going Chevy V8, because I feel it offers me the best compromise between power and cost.
Ford is going to be the most expensive option, but the most authentic. Not sure many have been put in Sumo's, but I will probably be corrected soon!

The Jag Getrag box would be fine for the RV* and probably the Chevy V8, but may start to struggle with the high BHP engines. Again, from the reading I have done it is all down to the torque of these bigger engines that will literally murder the Getrag...to death.

Please bear in mind that these are all my own opinions based on reading other posts and around the web, so someone who actually has first hand experience of these engines will probably be along soon to correct me!

KevinW
13-08-13, 12:06 PM
One of the major reasons, imho, for going RV8, is that they can often be had with a Rover LT77 gearbox ready bolted up to it. And if not, then the ubiquitous Ford T5 with suitable adaptor bellhousing can be mated cheaply and easily.
The key point being that the Rover engine gives the required lovely V8 burble, but without huge initial outlay, easily rebuilt, - and a great initial step onto the V8 ladder, and with generally, relatively good mpg (excluding LS engine comparisons ;) ).

Whilst the above post is true regarding relative expense of some Rover upgrades, you only have to read Mr Sidecar's and TonyM's old posts to see what can be achieved cost-effectively.

Affect on resale value: V6 (poorest), RV8, Chevy/Ford SB, to Ford BB (highest). All just mho.

Most people never drive their cars anywhere near the limit, and so often big hp and torque figures are simply never tapped into under normal driving conditions, the exceptions being track days, and trips out in demo cars.

My old sumo had a standard RV8 - didnt even have the standard ede manifold and webber upgrade on it. I found it plenty enough to handle regarding acceleration and hairy moments, esp if anyone was sitting besides me, and it easily outshone my daily driver. Now perhaps if you thrash a beemer around (like many arseholes do where i live) it maybe a different story. .... horses for courses.

My current build is an indulgence, some would say pointless, but i wantetd an engine fairly close in appearance and performance to an original. I could have easily got Mike Huddart to go for stroker and more hp, but i declined.

.... just food for thought.

cobracol
13-08-13, 02:21 PM
I went to the open day at AK on sunday (11th Aug) and WOW!

Went for a ride in Jons cobra with the supercharged LS3. I have thus decided i would be insane to put a tiny engine in a cobra. So now comes the question of Rover V8 (3.5), small block chevy, or ford?

I noticed as well that AK do an adapter for Jag transmission, does that mean i can run the Jag gear box with either a Rover, Chevy or Ford engine?

Also when i said i'd be driving it alot i kinda meant most weekends, (although it sounds like i meant it to be an every day driver :p )

Once again guys, thanks for your advice :)
Lol, Glad you enjoyed your day at AK, sorry I could not make it. The Getrag box was designed to be fitted to some very heavy cars, and consequently is very strong, yes you possibly can blow them with some very serious abuse, but one of these is fitted to my mates Chevy 6.6l 400cid cob as is, and worked well enough then, and still going strong now with its new owner, I would say if you are planning a big block though, it could be approaching its limits without some upgrades!, Rover, Chevy, Ford, choice has been done to death on here, but its your choice, they all have their pros and cons

KevinW
13-08-13, 02:43 PM
I went to the open day at AK on sunday (11th Aug) and WOW!

Went for a ride in Jons cobra with the supercharged LS3. I have thus decided i would be insane to put a tiny engine in a cobra. So now comes the question of Rover V8 (3.5), small block chevy, or ford?

I noticed as well that AK do an adapter for Jag transmission, does that mean i can run the Jag gear box with either a Rover, Chevy or Ford engine?

Also when i said i'd be driving it alot i kinda meant most weekends, (although it sounds like i meant it to be an every day driver :p )

Once again guys, thanks for your advice :)

As has been said above, the Getrag has a long history of being abused in cobras, and generally stands up to it well, assuming it isnt already shagged.
But you would need to specify what you are mating it to, as the adaptor has to fit the correct engine.

The Getrag option should be hell of a lot cheaper than going the tremec route, (which is what can substancially push up the cost of a Yank V8 installation) but may require a little more tweaking to get it to work perfectly.

Whatever you decide, make sure your gearbox gets dialed in correctly for the engine, otherwise stuff will break - you have been warned!

ThePornStarfish
15-08-13, 09:06 PM
Yea that demo car was insane!! Genuinely couldnt stop smiling for hours!

Thanks for the advice on engine options guys, Its great to hear different perspectives. I'm thinking the RV8 with Getrag or Rover gearbox would most likely be my best option and as mentioned would be a good step onto the V8 ladder. I was also surprised to see how cheap decent rebuilt RV8's can be had for!

Another option that someone has mentioned to me is a Lexus V8 (I have not looked into this yet) and have been told they have previously been fitted to an AK (I'll hunt for the post soon if it is on here somewhere)
Any thoughts?

I am now officially looking for a garage wide enough, (why do i live in london??) and once i've secured one i can at last order my kit and tear down a Jag :D

Once again, thanks for the input, its a great help :)

kdavies3
15-08-13, 09:59 PM
The Lexus into AK King is TonyD, I'm sure he'll be along soon.
RobCob has just finished grafting one into a sumo too. :D

v8pete
15-08-13, 10:18 PM
Rover 4.6 with an LT77 Rover 'box (or a second hand T5) into a Sumo would be about the best bang for buck, and would still put a huge grin on your face! I'd pretty much guarantee that you can build a decent 4.6 yourself for a fraction of the cost of going the Yank route. That was my introduction to Cobras, and was a great starting point, that won't break the bank.

ThePornStarfish
15-08-13, 10:35 PM
Haha i'll have a dig through for TonyD's car then! :)

Yea i'm pretty sure i'll be going the 4.6 Rover V8 route with either getrag, T5, or LT77. A rebuild myself option would certainly be good fun! and i think i would prefer that option anyway :)
For chassis i'm swaying more toward the AK than the Pilgrim, mostly just because i prefer the quality of the body on the AK.

For a first Cobra build (i'm sure i wont stop at one) I think the above layout could be a great cost effective intro into the Cobra world :)

TonyD
16-08-13, 12:06 AM
Ahem, you rang............

In my humble opinion if you're after a cheap entry in Cobra V8 ownership Mr Yamamotos finest V8 is most definitely the way to do it. Its a lovely engine.

Why buy a Rover V8. spend a grand or more rebuilding it to get somewhere approaching 200 to 250 bhp when a trip into ebay will reward you with a Lexus barge with 100 to 130k on the clock ( which is nothing for these engines) take out the engine and box, ebay or scrap the rest and you're already in profit? You get 300 bhp when de-catted out of the box and an engine which is as smooth as smooth can be.

After some power? Throw some secondhand GT28 Turbos on the thing and its 450 to 500 bhp, unopened. Just change the cam belt and idler pulleys and its good to go. The record for an unopened 150k plus miler Lexus engine is 567 bhp using twin charging ( ie supercharger fed by a turbo) which some Aussie guy ran for 4 or 5 years doing trackdays and drag racing. It didnt actually blow up, it just lost its "edge".

We have a £300 LS 400 towing barge with an engine destined for donor duties when my engineering talent is insufficient for what I'm trying to get the engine to do. It was bought some 6 years ago and has had almost £200 spent on it mechanically ( a bonnet respray also cost us almost £120) but at Silverstone we realised that it was due an oil change. After 6 years mind.

Alternatively you could simply cruise around getting 32mpg like Blagger who feels that putting the engine and gearbox in power mode ( ie 6500rev limit ) is simply outrageous. "A Wanton extravagance". "To be avoided at all costs." " The power button is not for us"

We do in fact have a bigger diff to go in to see if we can crack the 35mpg barrier !! If thats not enough I've also started flirting with LPG ( Russ your kit works a treat) and have an 8 cylinder kit under test ( in my old Volvo) that should easily transplant into a Cobra with an equivalent cost of petrol cost of 77 pence per litre. This would be equivalent to our Lexus Cobra doing 50mpg on petrol.................Whats not to like.?

Whatever you do decide AK is a good choice ( we're on our 3rd) and if it is a Lexus and underfloor exhausts get AK to make the exhausts..........a true work of art! ( and take 30 minutes to fit, singlehandedly, both sides).

Cheers,

Tony

craggle
16-08-13, 08:57 AM
I'm pretty sure i'll be going the 4.6 Rover V8 route with either getrag, T5, or LT77. A rebuild myself option would certainly be good fun! and i think i would prefer that option anyway :)
For chassis i'm swaying more toward the AK than the Pilgrim, mostly just because i prefer the quality of the body on the AK.



Wait till you see the Dax chassis then, Look at the details, the welding, the design and thought behind it, The years of development and then make a choice. :)

kdavies3
16-08-13, 08:59 AM
Don't discount GD either! :D

ryan
16-08-13, 09:35 AM
Go and see them all !

At least when you finally make your decision it will be an informed decision and you'll appreciate what the differences are and why one might be more/less expensive than another.

You may change your mind, you may not but you'll learn an awful lot along the way.

The other aspect is that you're probably going to spend the next couple of years putting your car together, there really is no rush to get started.

Ryan

aaronjb
16-08-13, 10:10 AM
Don't discount GD either! :D

And Crendon. Chassis porn.

v8pete
16-08-13, 12:40 PM
Ahem, you rang............

In my humble opinion if you're after a cheap entry in Cobra V8 ownership Mr Yamamotos finest V8 is most definitely the way to do it. Its a lovely engine.

Why buy a Rover V8. spend a grand or more rebuilding it to get somewhere approaching 200 to 250 bhp when a trip into ebay will reward you with a Lexus barge with 100 to 130k on the clock ( which is nothing for these engines) take out the engine and box, ebay or scrap the rest and you're already in profit? You get 300 bhp when de-catted out of the box and an engine which is as smooth as smooth can be.

After some power? Throw some secondhand GT28 Turbos on the thing and its 450 to 500 bhp, unopened. Just change the cam belt and idler pulleys and its good to go. The record for an unopened 150k plus miler Lexus engine is 567 bhp using twin charging ( ie supercharger fed by a turbo) which some Aussie guy ran for 4 or 5 years doing trackdays and drag racing. It didnt actually blow up, it just lost its "edge".

We have a £300 LS 400 towing barge with an engine destined for donor duties when my engineering talent is insufficient for what I'm trying to get the engine to do. It was bought some 6 years ago and has had almost £200 spent on it mechanically ( a bonnet respray also cost us almost £120) but at Silverstone we realised that it was due an oil change. After 6 years mind.

Alternatively you could simply cruise around getting 32mpg like Blagger who feels that putting the engine and gearbox in power mode ( ie 6500rev limit ) is simply outrageous. "A Wanton extravagance". "To be avoided at all costs." " The power button is not for us"

We do in fact have a bigger diff to go in to see if we can crack the 35mpg barrier !! If thats not enough I've also started flirting with LPG ( Russ your kit works a treat) and have an 8 cylinder kit under test ( in my old Volvo) that should easily transplant into a Cobra with an equivalent cost of petrol cost of 77 pence per litre. This would be equivalent to our Lexus Cobra doing 50mpg on petrol.................Whats not to like.?

Whatever you do decide AK is a good choice ( we're on our 3rd) and if it is a Lexus and underfloor exhausts get AK to make the exhausts..........a true work of art! ( and take 30 minutes to fit, singlehandedly, both sides).

Cheers,

Tony

Sounds line an interesting option Tony. Does the engine come with a manual 'box though? Also, are you forced to use Cats if you use a motor this modern (which I guess you'd also need to do if you're going for a 4.6 Rover too). Do AK offer to fit engine mounts for this as standard, or do you have to figure this out yourself? Also, you'd have to keep the injection setup, so you'd need the fuel tank etc. set up to work with the injection system, ie. a return line and the high pressure pump. I can see the appeal of this to someone who's got quite a bit of mechanical experience, but I'm not so sure its the easiest route to go for newbie though.

kdavies3
16-08-13, 12:45 PM
The gearbox is auto, but manual conversions are available (see RobCobs thread).
It's easy enough to add a spill return to anew fuel tank during the build.
I'm sure AK can help you there also the same for engine mountings.

cobracol
16-08-13, 12:56 PM
Haha i'll have a dig through for TonyD's car then! :)

Yea i'm pretty sure i'll be going the 4.6 Rover V8 route with either getrag, T5, or LT77. A rebuild myself option would certainly be good fun! and i think i would prefer that option anyway :)
For chassis i'm swaying more toward the AK than the Pilgrim, mostly just because i prefer the quality of the body on the AK.

For a first Cobra build (i'm sure i wont stop at one) I think the above layout could be a great cost effective intro into the Cobra world :)
The AK/Rover 4.6 could be very cost effective and relatively simple build IMHO, though there are alternative (exotic) engines (Lexus just being one of them), they will definitely add a layer of complication to the project, though I know AK would help you too if you decide on the Lexus engine, they may even have jigs for the engine mounts, which then means you wont have to deliver the engine to them first. Ive just had a look at the bare body on my mates AK down the road, it does look very good, it looks like you could just scrape the flash lines, polish it, and away you go, further reducing costs

ryan
16-08-13, 01:13 PM
Another pearl of wisdom for you, by the time you've finished, you won't be a newbie any more ! The learning curve can be pretty steep but it's just a case of methodically working your way through.

you are about to build your own car for heavens sake, by the time you've finished, a little bit of messing about with fuel injection will seem trivial !

glad I could help :-)

Ryan

v8pete
16-08-13, 04:01 PM
...but there's also a point beyond which too much messing about = abandoned project. If you stick to the main stream approach for your first build, then you'll always have the benefit of plenty of help from other people whom have done very similar builds. Above all, it really just depends on your determination to see the project through.

Lloyd Barnes
16-08-13, 05:32 PM
May be worth a trip to GD as well if you are looking at a tight budget as they are renowned for having the best gelcoat in the business.

KevinW
16-08-13, 05:49 PM
what Pete said..... no problem with a Lexus if you know your way round an engine.... and all the electronics for the injection system.
if not, Id stay clear. Not knocking those who have successfully got this engine going, in fact its admirable, but its clearly more of a challenge.

swings and roundabouts...... what you save in ££££ you'l loose in HH:MM:SS extra time in the garage (or on your laptop diagnosing stuff)

..... your choice.

You can always 'upgrade' to EFI later, or change the engine later if that proves tiresome.
But there have been several threads on here of folk dumping the electrickery for good old springs and flaps.

cobracol
16-08-13, 06:13 PM
anyone ever had a starter fail on a lexus?, that could be interesting

TonyD
16-08-13, 07:44 PM
Sounds line an interesting option Tony. Does the engine come with a manual 'box though? Also, are you forced to use Cats if you use a motor this modern (which I guess you'd also need to do if you're going for a 4.6 Rover too). Do AK offer to fit engine mounts for this as standard, or do you have to figure this out yourself? Also, you'd have to keep the injection setup, so you'd need the fuel tank etc. set up to work with the injection system, ie. a return line and the high pressure pump. I can see the appeal of this to someone who's got quite a bit of mechanical experience, but I'm not so sure its the easiest route to go for newbie though.

We use the standard auto box but manual conversion kits are available on line. You don't need cats if the engine is pre July 96. AK sort out engine mounts. We use the standard Lexus fuel pump in the AK tank with a simple swirl pot and a return line. Ak know what chassis mods are required but others have fitted Lexus engines into a standard AK chassis by using a remote oil filter set up. I also believe that simply using a Toyota Yaris or similar stubby oil filter negates the need for any modifications whatsoever and you can keep even the "water to oil" oil cooler onto which the oil filter screws.

Re the electrickery so far my wiring diagrams have sparked up 35 Lexus engines worldwide with some of them going into boats and at least one plane. 6 wires, 3 relays and its running. If you keep the auto add a kickdown switch, a power button switch and a live feed from the brake lights into the ECU.

Some people decide to strip the loom of all the unrequired wires, which seems a bit masochistic to me. I'm probably dragging around a kilo of redundant copper in my engine loom but its a lot of effort for llittle reward and knowing me I'd probably cut a wire I really needed by accident,. So I leave the loom just as it left the lexus factory. It works. No need to fix it.

Once the car is running the ECU is self tuning so every mile you drive it supposedly gets smoother and more economical until it reaches the optimum tune. The Lexus Cobra seemed to hit a plateau of 25 mpg after 3000 miles and it wouldnt get any better mileage no matter how we drove it. This year however consumption is up near the 30's.

Re starter motor, yes it is in the cylinder valley and repair or replacement requires the removal of the inlet manual. From a standing position, not flat on your back under the car. It takes an hour to sort out , I know as the one in the towing vehicle needed rewinding when we first got it. £30 that cost.

Now hands up all those chevy/ford owners who are running with their original starter motors. You know, the original ones, not the smaller high torque ones, or those that were replaced because of heat problems, or the aftermarket ones.

Not quite a forest of hands there.

Cheers,

Tony:)

ThePornStarfish
07-09-13, 07:41 PM
UPDATE!

Hi Guys, sorry for the lack of reply on my part! Work has been extremely busy as of late.

So i took everyone's advice and held out until the DAX open day today before making my decision. It would have been foolish to decide without at least seeing them all in the flesh and asking them as many questions as i can...

However, after today's open day i have decided i will most definitely not be getting a DAX! But maybe i have just caught them on a bad day...

Me and my dad drove up from kent today and arrived around 1.30 - 2pm-ish, Walked up to the Dax building and found a couple of DAX Rush's and two customers cobra's out the front, one of which left shortly after.
We made our way inside and attempted to introduce ourselves to the guys in Dax tshirts but it became apparent no one wanted to talk. We thought 'ok, lets at least have a look at some rolling chassis / demo cars'
Walked into the workshop area, Asked to see a rolling chassis to which we were told there were none to see... Asked to see a demo car, none to see...
Now thinking ok... not impressed. Spotted a cobra shaped cover and asked to have a look under it, to which the guy showed us quickly but made it apparent we were a hassle to ask to look at a car.
We decided to have one last ditched attempt to talk to the staff about some technical questions regarding engines, and also to ask about fitting the Lexus engine mentioned earlier in this thread. Nope! practically no response, and managed to get a total of 0 questions answered.
We did however notice the body on display with the mold casting underneath it. Couldn't help but notice the newer body's are coming out with slight ripples on the boot and rear left panels.

Now as i said before, we may have just caught them on a bad day... from what i've heard they produce very good cars! But based on today's experience i will not be buying from them.
The point of an open day is to showcase what you produce and offer, answer some questions, and to get people to part with their cash for a rewarding project. simple.
Today did not feel like an 'open' day but more of a 'closed' day.

Anyways, ramble over! The plus side of this is i have now decided i am definitely going with AK, as i have seen rolling chassis, bare chassis, finished builds, gel coats, and have even been for a ride in Jons demo car. They managed to answer my questions and certainly seem willing to help if i inevitably get stuck along the way.

Next stage for me is hunting for the donor car, or to get refurbed parts to save stripping it down. Although with the latter i am unsure as to how this works with a V5 document?

Watch this space! :D

Cheers,

Jason

ThePornStarfish
07-09-13, 07:42 PM
Also a huge thank you to those of you who have answered my questions thus far, i really appreciate it!

And thank you for the insight into a possible lexus / cobra build, very very very tempting...

Regards,
Jason

Richard1977
07-09-13, 10:33 PM
Good choise Jason. I'm up to rolling chassis almost. on a gen 2ak and have to say no matter how stupid the question the Ak team always have time to help you. Jon knows what he is selling inside out backwards upside down . I can't fault them on my experience with them.i have to say my experience with dax was the same however there are many great daxs out there I think You just get a feeling of what is right for you. just personal preference when are you putting in your order I think they have a bit of a waiting list but the date they give you is the date you get it . Good luck with your project

KevinW
07-09-13, 11:18 PM
Sorry to here you had a bad experience with Dax. I know Aaron went on their open days twice and was very happy being there.
Maybe Dax were disappointed with the lack of owner cars coming along, and felt it was time to pack up? Be good to hear what they thought had happened.

But you've made your decision, and hope you enjoy the build, AKs are good cars, and the gelcoat is A1 - I did get the build manual CD at one stage and it was very thorough, and they were very helpful with all my questions.
I ultimately went with the crendon for a variety of reasons, in large part due to personal circumstances at the time. But the AK was up there in my final line up. Enjoy!

BobMin
07-09-13, 11:29 PM
Welcome aboard Jason, I did very much the same as you, went to the shows visited the manufacturers and ended up getting an AK Gen2. At the end of the day, it is a personal decision for each of us and although half of it is down to the quality of product, you have to consider that you are entering into a relationship that will last a few years and you have to be confident that you will get on the people involved.

I was at the AK demo day as well, were you the one with a silly grin on your face getting out of the demonstrator? :D

TINKA
08-09-13, 11:47 AM
Glad you finally found what you are after, you won't regret it. Good choice in the end the AK is a very nice car and you will have fun building it and always get all the help you need on the end of the phone and they have never had an off day in the 11 years I have known them always ready for a chat and help.

ThePornStarfish
08-09-13, 08:58 PM
I was at the AK demo day as well, were you the one with a silly grin on your face getting out of the demonstrator? :D

Haha yep! Sounds like me! Was utterly blown away at the AK open day, and as mentioned, it's about forming a relationship and producing a work of art that will be my pride and joy (Luckily the missus is very understanding and wants a cobra of her own...)

I'm still a bit gutted that i was unimpressed with Dax as the chassis looked very pretty in the pictures, but as people have said, it comes down to personal preference and for me, the AK has won my heart :)

Was offered a Jag donor the other day for £250 on the spur of the moment, gutted i didnt take it as it was a perfect runner (silly boy)

On the plus side i mocked up a quick 3D cobra in 3DS Max and am now rendering different paint combinations :p

Once again guys, thanks for the help!

Cheers,
Jay