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marsh
29-06-15, 11:21 AM
Regretfully, my 427 is up for sale - it's one of the most period authentic 427 replica's currently on the market in the UK.
Originally based on an AK body and chassis and then further developed by me, with no expense spared - over £15,000 has been invested in the last year alone, with all work completed by renowned historic race specialist, RH Classics.

The car is immaculately finished in Lincoln Silver Frost, with black trim and the car rides on original pin drive Hallibrand wheels recently refinished in satin black.

Fitted with a stroked Ford engine developing over 450 BHP, the car is brutally fast, yet entirely tractable and has completed an absolutely reliable 4000 miles in my ownership, including two trips to the Revival where the car proved a great hit and even had some of the period drivers fooled.

The car has been obsessively detailed by me to evoke an original used but loved 427 Cobra, event down to correct 1966 Surrey registration number and correct cast number plates. The cumulative effect is of a very correct and genuine looking car that accurately evokes the look, feel, sound and soul of a Thames Ditton built car. It's absolutely immaculate, having been repainted in December 2015, but it's also nicely patinated and I deliberately don't keep it too shiny!

For sale only due to my wife's requests for a car that doesn't leave her with hair like Bridget Jones. It's a genuinely difficult decision to sell, so I'm pretty fixed on offers based on £52995 - for more details and photo's please pm me. No test pilots or dreamers please - if you're genuinely interested in an old school Cobra, you won't be disappointed. With Kirkhams and AC Mk 4 Cobras at between 2 and 3 times the price, this car represents exceptional value for money.

marsh
29-06-15, 11:24 AM
Sorry chaps - just noticed that I've suggested the car was painted 6 months in the future, which is clearly madness. December 2014 is what I actually meant... :roll:

AKCharlie
29-06-15, 11:40 AM
Best way forward is to buy your Wife a hat, keep the car and enjoy!

marsh
29-06-15, 11:46 AM
I tried that approach Charlie and the firewall prevents me from sharing her reply...

AKCharlie
29-06-15, 11:51 AM
Oh well, seriously is a shame after all the hard work you have put into making the car as orignal as possible.

minesamalt
29-06-15, 12:17 PM
Sorry to hear this Lee, you made a superb job of your Cobra.
All the best for the future.

marsh
29-06-15, 12:42 PM
Thanks gents,

Mind you, it's not quite sold yet - I appreciate that it's a little how shall we say 'punchy' asking price for a 'glass bodied car, but if period soul is what you're looking for, then there's nothing this side of £75k and beyond to touch it (though I accept I'm possibly a little biased)...

L

KevinW
29-06-15, 01:04 PM
I think you need to put some pics up to illutsrate some of the points in the ad.

marsh
29-06-15, 01:57 PM
I think you need to put some pics up to illutsrate some of the points in the ad.

Quite right Kevin

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Russ-Notts
29-06-15, 02:37 PM
Lee,

Really sorry you are selling your 'pride and joy'. It's a great car both inside and out. I wish the very best with sale and finding something more compatible with the wife's hair.

I suppose you've considered the hardtop option?

Russ.

marsh
29-06-15, 02:44 PM
I've also considered the divorce option (!)

Cheers Russ, but you haven;t got rid of me just yet...

Lee

Firestarter29
29-06-15, 03:07 PM
Sorry to see you selling Lee, hope you get the price you deserve for such a fab car, Yours, David

dave
29-06-15, 04:24 PM
..... With Kirkhams and AC Mk 4 Cobras at between 2 and 3 times the price, this car represents exceptional value for money.

There is however an alternative ;)

marsh
29-06-15, 05:09 PM
a very tantalising alternative!

Dave, how I wish things were different with Mrs Marshall and her lack of tolerance for Cobra's - I'd have been beating a path to your door in the very near future...

Lee

KevinW
29-06-15, 07:22 PM
actually you need one of those sissy net mesh thing strapped across the back (you know the kind of thing you see on those poncy soft top mercs and the like), oh and a set of sidescreens.... most of the wind problems will disappear then. You're welcome.

Davidg
29-06-15, 07:25 PM
That's a stunner, I love the period feel , wish I had the cash ! Do you have a picture of the dash and interior I'd love to see what you have done? Super Cobra, hope you get what you are asking.

marsh
29-06-15, 07:48 PM
Thanks David, that's very kind.

Here's the dash - apologies for the poor quality of the photo - just took it on my i-phone in the garage.

Roger Shackleton
29-06-15, 08:08 PM
Mmmmm.... For not much more you could have an aluminium bodied DB Replica. Will follow your thread with interest.

Rog

Davidg
29-06-15, 08:20 PM
Thanks that is superb, looks just as it should. I could sell mine but I'd still be .....ermm about 30k short. But lovely car thanks for sharing the pictures. What absolutely makes it is the sheer simplicity and lack of chrome, spot on for my liking!




Thanks David, that's very kind.

Here's the dash - apologies for the poor quality of the photo - just took it on my i-phone in the garage.

marsh
29-06-15, 09:23 PM
Mmmmm.... For not much more you could have an aluminium bodied DB Replica. Will follow your thread with interest.

Rog

Absolutely agree Roger and I am very mindful that it's priced towards the top of the market.

Having studied the choice of those few 'old school' Cobra's currently for sale, I think it represents good value for money, given the investment in it to date and based on the smiles per pound it provides, I would suggest that it's cheap at half the price!

That said, I am rather biased as I love the bloomin' thing and at the end of the day, if potential purchasers don't like it, then they don't have to buy it!

Ultimately, it'll find it's own price and truth be told, I'm very aware that I've been 'punchy' with the asking price.

Having placed my heart and soul into it, I have a strong emotional attachment, so whether it does or doesn't sell I'll genuinely be pleased, so I guess it's a nice predicament to be in. Fatboy is highly amused by my personal conflict with the 'shall I or shan't I routine and I don't think he believes I'll ultimately let it go, so let's see what happens...

Plus I really need to take it to this year's Revival...

I'll keep everyone posted on progress (or not...)

Marsh

Roger Shackleton
30-06-15, 04:46 AM
My personal view on this, I believe the main stream purchaser ( most in their mid 40's ) are looking for the modern bling, low profile tyre interpretation of the Cobra and are willing to pay premiums. Most I have spoke to don't know or are ignorant of the detailing of an original Cobra. Mine is based cosmetically on the 427 SC but with Chrome and a modern dash and most think it is an original, very flattering of course.

I too on reflection would like to go more authentic as you, ie flat dash,black pipes,roll bar etc, but that is a very personal thing and I believe would very much narrow down my market and be very detrimental to the value of my car and I don't think I would ever recoup the cash input required.

A more practical route and did think about it after Stoneleigh, would be to sell as is, put the money in and build a Crendon,but I don't have the inclination or time to spend on another 3 year build.I just want to enjoy the car and the comments I get everywhere I take it.

Best of luck with the sale.

Rog

FatBoy
30-06-15, 06:04 AM
Interesting thoughts Roger, but I'd have to disagree I'm afraid. In my experience, which is pretty extensive, the premium end of the market is dominated by the more original Cobras and the closer they are to original, the higher the price.

Lee's car is a lovely example with some beautiful details and there's plenty to justify the asking price in my view.

Paul

Roger Shackleton
30-06-15, 06:54 AM
Hi Paul

Don't get me wrong I do like what Lee has done. What i have reservations about is doing it to a mainstream kit.
Your car is stunning and very authentic and that is my point, if you are going down that road you need to go the full 9 yards to get the full market value.
I am not knocking the AK but if Lees car was a Crendon for example it would realise a higher sale value and be more desirable.

I do agree the more authentic cars on the correct base will carry a premium but that it is a different and smaller market I would suggest.

Look at what Jon has done with the new AK demonstrator, he stopped short of the full 9 yards ! A very clever marketing exercise in my opinion, as he aiming at the mainstream buyer I believe.

If I knew then what I know now I would have gone the authentic route without doubt,but where do you stop in your quest ! You are only fooling yourself at the end of the day and don't mean that in derogatory way.

Rog

marsh
30-06-15, 07:10 AM
I think there are some very intelligent and well considered observations here regarding the core market for Cobra's, as judging by the ratio of modern Cobra's for sale currently, it would certainly appear that the wider audience of prospective buyers favour the modern interpretation of these cars.

So, on that basis, my car is rare, so I probably need to put the price up to reflect that (!!) ;)

I do agree Roger with the 'if I knew than what I know now', I'd have been beating a path to Dave's door - in fact, Paul and I were having that very same conversation on Saturday...

So, let's see what happens. Of it's type, the car is one of the nicest around, but the market will decide. For those luddites amongst us who prefer their Cobra's road stained, running on 15 inch pin drive wheels and with dirty engines, then they might just like this one! :-D

Mash

Davidg
30-06-15, 07:43 AM
Well speaking only for myself, I am mid forties and I would take this cobra over a more modern interpretation anytime. As for price well I have not really looked at the top end Cobras since I didn't have that kind of cash when I bought mine, sure an ally body would always be preferable, but I love the authentic look of this Cobra makes me think AC not Shelby and that gives me a warm feeling, and there will definitely be buyers looking for that look, who can't afford a genuine AC and don't want to look like a modern continuation Shelby Cobra. Pure curves, simple paintwork, functional period cockpit, minimal chrome,just what the doctor ordered !

Neil O
30-06-15, 09:39 AM
Looks like my current Crendon's future sale price is rising by the minute...... ;-)

Very nice looking car Lee, sad to see you selling it.
Hope you get what you want for it because it will help alleviate some of the pain.

tapped
30-06-15, 12:04 PM
If it sells for north of £50k I would suggest something has changed in the market (it might have...) and MR Brookes needs to put his prices up ASAP :)

FatBoy
30-06-15, 12:24 PM
I've been telling Dave that his prices are far too low for a very long time now. ;)

Paul

dave
30-06-15, 01:07 PM
To make amends should I have a retrospective price increase?

Neil O
30-06-15, 02:35 PM
To make amends should I have a retrospective price increase?
Don't see any reason why not Dave :grin:

FatBoy
30-06-15, 02:49 PM
Don't see any reason why not Dave :grin:

I agree. :)

Clive
30-06-15, 04:11 PM
Hi Lee, I think the answer is here. http://www.cobraclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54881 John Abel's Le Mans is a great car with a hardtop which won't spoil the good lady's hair.

Gatwick Axe Man
30-06-15, 08:25 PM
Buy her a hat or a bus pass? http://rlv.zcache.com/this_is_a_hat_funny_trucker_hat-r9f1ee58139ba4389be165e6875fabb86_v9wfy_8byvr_324. jpg

Neil O
01-07-15, 08:24 AM
Ditch the bitch.




Only joking! :p
I'm lucky because my missus wouldn't be without our Cobra. :cool:

corn plaster
01-07-15, 09:09 AM
Seems a shame to sell after all that work but if the wife not happy it's got to go. My wife moans about her hair but wants to keep the car. Good luck with the sale.


Andy

nealgs
01-07-15, 10:35 AM
easier to replace the wife than the cobra - sell the wife

Gary

marsh
01-07-15, 12:56 PM
Ok fellas, can we pull this back on topic now and show a little respect please?

Davidg
01-07-15, 03:47 PM
Out of interest, how did you go about sourcing and fitting the spun on Halibrands, I mean I know they are available and they fit them to current Shelby Cobras such Superformance etc. and I have seen them fitted on the cars at AC Heritage at Brooklands, but are they available to fit to Ak's, Sumos and DAX etc ? Or does this take a reasonable amount of modification to fit the hubs etc?

marsh
01-07-15, 04:12 PM
Hi David, mine were sourced from Vintage Wheels in the 'states - Trigo supply them too. They can assist with machining too and adapter hubs, though mine were machined in the UK. Gerry Hawkridge will supply them too, if you want some from a UK based supplier, but I suspect they may be a touch more expensive than sourcing from the USA. They're available in variety of finishes, from highly polished to 'as cast' and they will fit (with the appropriate adapters) any number of cars, including AK's and DAX's.

Lee

Davidg
01-07-15, 07:01 PM
Thanks Lee, something else to add to the list:).

adriant
01-07-15, 08:29 PM
Buy her a nice new tin top or something she likes and KEEP THE COBRA !!!

Adrian

Davidg
03-08-15, 12:29 PM
Lee, how are you getting on selling your Cobra out of curiosity?

marsh
06-08-15, 11:40 AM
Hi David

I've had two viewings so far and two firm offers - one from a private buyer and one from a dealer and both at £40k+

I have a further viewing on Sunday, so I am hopeful of a completion in the coming weeks.

At this price point, it's clear that it does filter out the volume of interested parties and I'm more than happy with that. I am conscious that there is a more limited market for 'old school' Cobra's too and I am asking strong money for mine.

In truth, I love the car and will more than happily keep it, should I either not be able to realise a sensible price for it, or just as importantly, find a good custodian for the car as it deserves it Mind you, with the Revival just around the corner, if it doesn't sell, then it's not the end of the world...

Lee

Lee

Lloyd Barnes
06-08-15, 12:01 PM
Hi David

I've had two viewings so far and two firm offers - one from a private buyer and one from a dealer and both at £40k+

I have a further viewing on Sunday, so I am hopeful of a completion in the coming weeks.

At this price point, it's clear that it does filter out the volume of interested parties and I'm more than happy with that. I am conscious that there is a more limited market for 'old school' Cobra's too and I am asking strong money for mine.

In truth, I love the car and will more than happily keep it, should I either not be able to realise a sensible price for it, or just as importantly, find a good custodian for the car as it deserves it Mind you, with the Revival just around the corner, if it doesn't sell, then it's not the end of the world...

Lee

Lee

I have to say that's great to hear. Good to see prices steadily rising for nice quality Cobras. :-)

Davidg
06-08-15, 12:08 PM
Great thanks for the update Lee that is good news +40K has to be good news even at the lower end. Interesting that even the dealer is up there in that territory as well because they will expect to make a significant chunk on top at re-sale so even if their offer is low 40's to you , they are looking to push it out at upper 40's to nearly 50k so that's interesting for the market at the top end. They may even have buyers in the wings.

I think at that price you will mainly only attract genuine interest.

do let us know how it all pans out

marsh
28-08-15, 04:18 PM
So, just a quick update.

Four viewings, two offers and a fuel pump failure on the most recent test drive (just after the bit where I said 'this has truly been the most reliable car I've ever owned'). The irony was not lost on me, but I suspect it was for the prospective buyer, who seems to have cooled towards the idea of Cobra ownership. I had to smile, once the 3rd RAC truck arrived... :rolleyes:

So the car is now in with RH Classics for fitment and relocation of a new fuel pump, along with a good service in advance of the Revival.

In all honesty, I'm genuinely still wrestling with whether I ultimately sell it or not, so I will let fate take over. I've also put my Air Portable Land Rover up for sale too, so that might well ease the pressure with Mrs M, though it won't perhaps finance the purchase of a suitable Cobra replacement unless I build a time machine and head back to 1968...

Further updates to follow as and when.

Two weeks to Goodwood and counting... :):):):)

Marsh

Davidg
30-08-15, 05:55 PM
It's an Omen, sell the Landy and keep the Cobra. Out of curiosity what's an Air Portable worth? Presumably they are heavily lightened?

marsh
31-08-15, 08:23 AM
It probably is an omen David! In truth, I know I'll end of loving it just a little more after Goodwood - I always do (assuming it behaves itself...)

The Lightweight is probably worth £5-6000 in today's market for a good, but not concours one; I'm looking towards the lower end of the scale as I am conscious they're not for everyone and just want to get it sold.

They do have a 'lightweight' body of sorts, plus stuff like doors and 'screen detach, which surprisingly for a BL built cars of the 70's are actually meant to. The fine chaps at British Leyland also thoughtfully built in some nice rust traps to further lighten them too ;).

Marsh

Davidg
10-09-15, 07:30 PM
Hi Lee
big debate elsewhere on the forum on the price of a Pilgrim, reminded me to see how you were getting on? Did you get the car back?
I have a couple of tickets to the revival on Saturday, I'll keep my eyes peeled for your Cobra if you are there Saturday :-)
David

marsh
16-09-15, 07:53 AM
Hi David,

Goodwood was another great event and the car performed faultlessly as usual and got a great response in the Classic Car Show there, though the grumpy old guy in the HRG parked next to me took off his AC Owners Club cap when he saw my car and wondered off into the early morning mist, muttering (!)

Land Rover has sold on it's first viewing, which is great, so I can now focus on what happens with the Cobra, though I am in no rush as I'm conscious that I am testing the market at anything approaching mid to late 40's.

Lee

Davidg
17-09-15, 07:45 PM
:-) Sounds like you had a good day.

marsh
23-09-15, 06:01 PM
Dear all

Sale agreed to dealer.

More to follow once completed...

Davidg
24-09-15, 07:09 AM
Sounds interesting ? Guess you might not share how much though since it has gone to a dealer!

Neil O
24-09-15, 09:32 AM
We will be able to work the numbers backwards once we know which dealer has it and what price it goes up for.......

tapped
24-09-15, 12:11 PM
P/X scenario Lee?

Interesting time of year to be taking Cobras for stock. The weather isn't getting warmer!

(I'd still be driving mine if I had one mind you)

Chimeara
24-09-15, 03:40 PM
In a process of elimination basis Its not me. If I were a betting man id say Total headturners

marsh
24-09-15, 08:30 PM
Well, being as you asked so nicely David, it sold for mid £40's - cash price, no px.

Mind you, it hasn't quite gone yet as it's having a post Revival service, but the chaps who are buying it I've done much business with in the past, which is probably why we've arrived at such an agreeable deal, though it will be interesting to see what it goes up for!

Ill update once it's left the building and for the record, it's not going to Essex...

Lee

catsx11
24-09-15, 08:59 PM
So sorry to hear you've sold it Lee, it is such a lovely car - and you only had it a year and a half.
Was it your Magicians RH Classics that bought it?
I think you got it from THT? - if it's the same car, I expressed an interest in it back in early 2014, but was told a deposit had already been placed on it.
Having spent what you said you had, I dread to think the money you've lost on it as well.
But - I'm sure a lovely car will come along that both you and your wife will be happy to use.

marsh
24-09-15, 09:07 PM
I know Alan, it was a tough call, but something changed recently that meant I wasn't enjoying it as much as I should have been (more to the point, it was most likely because as a project, it was pretty much completed). Stupidly, I always seem to let cars go once they're lovely...

No, RH wouldn't buy a car like that - they tend to stick to significant historic race cars.

In truth, I've covered all my costs - just, so this is the first 'old' that I haven't lost money on, which makes a nice change.

Mind you, it will ALWAYS be the one that got away and I do know that already - just punch me when I say it...

Lee

Davidg
25-09-15, 06:56 AM
Pretty reasonable outcome then I would say Lee! I am sure someone else somewhere will love it just as much.

Neil O
25-09-15, 11:36 AM
So Lee, you're going to buy a Crendon next then? :);)

marsh
25-09-15, 04:02 PM
So Lee, you're going to buy a Crendon next then? :);)

Oh, very tempting indeed Neil, but I'm beginning to like sleeping in the marital bed, so better not risk it right now... ;)

For the moment, I'm going British, coach built, big engine and coupe bodied, so Bristol, Jensen or maybe even Bentley...

I'm absolutely not done with Cobra's as a good one is a thing to be savoured, plus of course there are the fantastic people.

I'm awaiting an investment to mature next year and if/when that happens, Mr Brookes is getting a call - 'street 427 on Sunbursts, no side pipes, hood scoop or roll bar in Rangoon Red...

Lee

tapped
25-09-15, 04:40 PM
By then he'll have worked out how to do under slungs......

I think I'd go street too if the choice was there now

KevinW
25-09-15, 04:56 PM
I would be very very jealous of a street car in either red or black!

Davidg
25-09-15, 05:30 PM
Me to, that would suit me very nicely indeed.

marsh
04-11-15, 12:11 PM
Just a quick update on my former car; it was sold to Classic and Sportscar Centre in Malton and was picked up from my home on Friday last week - some of you will have seen the pictures on another thread.

It went on their website last night at £54995 and sold immediately to a new owner who is based in sunnier climes.

If he's on the site, I hope you enjoy your new Cobra - you've got a lovely period car; just make sure you look after it!

Lee

kdavies3
04-11-15, 12:28 PM
Blimey that was a nice mark up then for 7 day holding?
Oh Well!
Dealers have to make a profit. :)

tapped
04-11-15, 12:48 PM
Bless em. It's a tough market out there evidently!

KevinW
04-11-15, 01:37 PM
Blimey that was a nice mark up then for 7 day holding?
Oh Well!
Dealers have to make a profit. :)

...and the 'sold' price...?

kdavies3
04-11-15, 01:49 PM
I believe it was mid 40's.

KevinW
04-11-15, 01:50 PM
...cheers!

kdavies3
04-11-15, 01:51 PM
I believe it was mid 40's.
Assuming you mean't what Lee sold it for?
Also assuming the dealer got something close to the asking price.

KevinW
04-11-15, 01:58 PM
ah, it was the latter i was interested in.
As that Dayotna thread shows, you can ask what you like ££££, but the question is what the market will pay :)

tapped
04-11-15, 02:00 PM
Any dealers sharing their actuals achieved are at risk of not selling anything in future!

marsh
04-11-15, 02:52 PM
I am given to understand that the actual selling price was 'very close to' the asking price of £54995 and was certainly in excess of a figure starting with a '5', which would probably explain why it was taken off the market so quickly...

They're good guys - I've done business with them in the past and it's apparently gone to an appreciative home, so everyone's happy.

Lee

tapped
05-01-16, 04:36 PM
Hi lee

You don't still have the previous no plate it wore do you? The "NDB" one?

marsh
08-01-16, 02:37 PM
Hi there Paul

Sadly I don't - I gave authorisation for it to go back to the DVLA. There is another NDB plate on platesforless that's reasonably priced, though it's not an ideal plate.

I am given to understand that the current Surrey 'NPC' plate will remain on the car as it will remain British registered, even though it is now overseas.

If you're looking to go down the authentic period route, I do know of a genuine 1965 Surrey plate that's apparently for sale that is reasonably priced at around £600 + fees - pm me if interested.

L

tapped
09-01-16, 06:49 PM
Hi Lee

Thanks

It would have been fun since the Crendon was NDB61E that was all. I've got a 2 number 3 letter plate on the way....There's little point in me bothering with a Surrey reg as the DB is an S/C rep so was only built in the states anyway!

Cheers

Paul