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Benthebuilder
19-05-16, 06:31 PM
Hi everyone I'm going to go and have a look at this cobra tomorrow any views or advise would Be great thanks guys

http://m.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C744424

Regards Ben

westborne
19-05-16, 08:19 PM
Looks Ok. Make sure it's registered as a pilgrim Sumo.
Price is top whack for a Rover Pilgrim
You should get a discount

corn plaster
19-05-16, 08:32 PM
Comes up registered as a Sumo. Have to agree about top whack for a rover powered Cobra, Sumo or not.


Andy

Benthebuilder
19-05-16, 08:56 PM
Ok thanks guys Iv spoken to the guy and is willing to go to 22k dose this sound fair I will go and look tomorrow the car so he says is mint? Is the rover engine good it seems very popular? And any views on the sumo kit?

Thanks for your help

corn plaster
19-05-16, 09:12 PM
Just checked the other Cobras on Car and Classic and its priced as the other RV8s are. Rover engine very popular,sound great. I would try a lower price,but its entirely up to you.
Have you looked and any others to compare ?

Chimeara
19-05-16, 09:18 PM
Christ I'm selling cars far too cheap. Think il have to put my prices up and officially become a cobra dealer ha ha.

westborne
19-05-16, 09:19 PM
22K is OK. Looks like carbs to me rather than injection.
Give it a drive a ne listen for rattles and groans etc.
Rover engine is fine and if built correctly is reliable. Spares are cheap etc etc
Compare it to other cars you have looked at or driven .
Check age of tyres cos they are important and get engine history

If you are happy with all this then it's not over priced. It's also not a bargain!

Benthebuilder
19-05-16, 09:30 PM
Ok thanks guys, I know there are a few kits out there how dose the sumo kit compare? I'll find out if it's injection or carb any preferences??

Cheers thanks for the advise lads

corn plaster
19-05-16, 09:39 PM
What Sumo would it be? Its got door handles. Def standard rover carbs. I like the screw holding down the petrol filler. Sumo can be as good and as bad as any other make.

richard8166
19-05-16, 10:08 PM
Body looks mk3 but doors mk2. Which chassis is it? If mk2, make sure it's got a granada rear end, not cortina (live axle). Seems pricey if it's a mk2, but if the finish is very good...
Good luck and have fun!

Benthebuilder
19-05-16, 10:27 PM
Ok thanks for the advise where do you think I need to be in the price? The finish so I'm told is very good! Looks very nice in the pics! It's the first one Iv gone to see he lives next to a un used airstrip so he said we can go for a drive on there! Looking forward to it!

southern roadcraft
19-05-16, 10:55 PM
Don't go with rosy glasses on, as this is the first one you are looking at make sure you have a good look at the build quality . Walk away if not correctly registered. It's a lot of money for a pilgrim, if you are in no hurry for 25k there have been some nice cobra's on here with Chevy power.Diffrent makes have slightly different driving positions make sure it feels right for you.

westborne
20-05-16, 08:03 AM
Seat height is a good point. I sit well low in my Dax and look through the windscreen.
I have sat in some cars, Crendon, Ram etc where I practically look over the windscreen
Worth checking you fit the car properly

russell_ram2
20-05-16, 11:06 AM
Sorry, but that's a £16k car in my view. No close ups - I suspect you'll find those pictures are massively flattering. Engine is likely a tired std 3.5L but I'm sure he'll tell you how it's a race prepped unit. Screws straight through dash and doors panels to fix them in place.

Gatwick Axe Man
20-05-16, 11:07 AM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ac-cobra-/222119810049?hash=item33b75f5401:g:CzkAAOSwKfVXJMJ T

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AC-Cobra-V8-Pilgrim-Sumo-Factory-Built-with-Full-History-File-/131815475554?hash=item1eb0d08962:g:1ikAAOSwRjNXOK4 2

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AC-Cobra-Kit-Car-Project-/182128916684?hash=item2a67bab8cc:g:tzcAAOSw1KxXNL4 4

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AC-Cobra-Pilgrim-sumo-III-2006-full-wet-weather-gear-5300-miles-/121983685350?hash=item1c66cb52e6:g:j58AAOSwZQxW5Fz r

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRA-289-AC-COBRA-REPLICA-/111979035793?hash=item1a12787c91:g:iHIAAOSwU0RXHjz X

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1974-AC-COBRA-evocation-auto-5-3-very-well-sorted-/222087837921?hash=item33b57778e1:g:tbkAAOSwhDdXERC p

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AC-COBRA-DAX-TOJEIRO-COBRA-5-3-V12-MANUAL-/231903683574?hash=item35fe8963f6:g:2OIAAOSwGYVXA~h z

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AC-Cobra-COBRETTI-VIPER-/121932540965?hash=item1c63beec25:g:CAEAAOSwAuNW8S6 P

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-AC-COBRA-BY-FIERO-FACTORY-3-5-V8-POWER-/222033869999?hash=item33b23ffcaf:g:4G8AAOSwFNZWzy7 2

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AC-Cobra-Pilgrim-Sumo-/221935370109?hash=item33ac60ff7d:g:MCsAAOSwPcVVp3n L

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PILGRIM-SUMO-MK-2-AC-Cobra-Replica-/151829817724?hash=item2359c3297c:g:oCIAAOSw9r1WCTe 5

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1974-AC-Cobra-/271946913680?hash=item3f514c9790:g:vRQAAOSwT6pVk~R 2

richard8166
20-05-16, 11:31 AM
That BRA looks nice...
Good list of cars for the OP to consider in addition to his planned viewing...

corn plaster
20-05-16, 11:55 AM
This is also on Car and Classic

http://www.cobraclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56673

AlexB74
20-05-16, 12:30 PM
Its registered as an "AC cobra". And it isnt one... this may cause you problems.

For example your local vet (MOT station) will probably give/sell you a dog license (MOT) for an incorrectly registered cat for years - no problem, its still a lovely cat which you enjoy owning. But what happens when the new Vet wont give you a license... (for either a dog or a cat)?. Now imagine trying to sell an animal that cant get a license from anywhere because now its been flagged on the system. Getting that problem fixed will require major surgery and a lot of form filling. And probably a stern letter from the rspca. I must get better analogies... anyway...

Mk2 doors, no lip on the rear cockpit, no mk3 type recess on the dashboard as the stick is in the right place - I'd guess a very late mk2, so unlikely to be the cortina version (FYI the cortina version isnt strong enough to run a v8 engine). I'd guess granada rather than sierra. It might not have the extra chassis bracing that the mk3 had, but thats ok. Nothing wrong with a pilgrim mk2 with an rv8 at all ( I have one, although with modifications) they are lovely cars.

The ad has artistic photos which are taken from far away... a pessimist may view this as a warning sign... doesnt mean it is though. One pic makes the car look like its in gel coat, again if true, nothing wrong with that, but it doesnt justify a premium price.

I'd guess if you view the car objectively, plus factor in the incorrect registration issue, you may find £22k is er, some distance from its real value... I've posted before about the value that specialist dealers who know their onions, like Anthony/THT/Sovereign, can add to a buyer new to this sort of car. I have no problem with the rising market prices - build costs are going up, cars are better and are more desirable than ever (Mine gets more attention now than ever before) - so logically resale value should go up.

However, this I fear is an example of someone in the trade trying to sell a car they haven't got a clue about...

Caution...

Alex

southern roadcraft
20-05-16, 12:31 PM
I am with Russell Ram2 on this 16k tops for that. It would have to be an exceptional pilgrim to get 25k. A friend of mine bought a really nice pilgrim with no door handles and a JE 4.8 Motor for 18k. But like last posts shop around there are better for sale that's for sure.

garysp2
20-05-16, 01:31 PM
I've just checked our trade HPI and the Car is registered as a 'Pilgrim Sumo Kit', so it looks to be registered correctly, not sure where you did your check Alex.

i have to agree thats one hefty price for that car............good luck to the trader trying to sell it!
Plenty, and i mean plenty of other options available.......

I would definitely recommend trying a few different manufactures version to see what suits you best.............and remember
ones mans version of a quality build will fall far short of another mans

Gary

Benthebuilder
20-05-16, 02:02 PM
Thanks for all the advise guys, you have all been very helpful do you think the cobretti. Viper is worth a look? Looks nice but I would prefer side exit exhausts is this easy to change.?

Many thanks ben

AlexB74
20-05-16, 02:03 PM
Gary - thats interesting, I just went on askmid..


I've just checked our trade HPI and the Car is registered as a 'Pilgrim Sumo Kit', so it looks to be registered correctly, not sure where you did your check Alex.

i have to agree thats one hefty price for that car............good luck to the trader trying to sell it!
Plenty, and i mean plenty of other options available.......

I would definitely recommend trying a few different manufactures version to see what suits you best.............and remember
ones mans version of a quality build will fall far short of another mans

Gary

corn plaster
20-05-16, 02:08 PM
I checked at the beginning of this thread on Mycarcheck. Pilgrim Kit Sumo.
Side pipes, over 2K I would guess. Guess they would fit.


Andy

garysp2
20-05-16, 02:08 PM
Strange.......not sure how and where they get their information from.
Obviously being a main dealer we use a trade system, HPI, which gives all the details via DVLA.
Engine no, Chassis no, owners, date owners change etc etc.

Gary



Gary - thats interesting, I just went on askmid..

Davidg
20-05-16, 02:14 PM
Hmm well you have to factor in the dealer mark up don't you. When I was looking a year or so back I would have expected to pay 18-19 for a well sorted MK3 Sumo with RV8 in. But I would have expected it to be pretty clean all over and the RV8 running well. Over 20K and I think it has to have something special about it, perhaps superior paint work or special attention to the interior, or may be some well sorted engine tuning bits from an established engine tuner. I am guessing if you had bought that same car direct from the previous owner you would have paid 18-19k. Most of the guys on here know their Cobras much better than me, but I did spend 8 months looking and checking pricing on Sumos and I think anything over 20K had to be a little unique in some way or perhaps factory prepared.

There have been a number of debates about values recently on the forum and often high priced cars have often been seen to tumble in the end when the dealer has over priced them. But then that is the name of their game, to make a profit. My advice don't go far north of 20K unless it is an absolute stunner in every respect. As someone else mentioned at 25K you might just pick up something with a yank lump in.

Benthebuilder
20-05-16, 02:40 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AC-Cobra-COBRETTI-VIPER-/121932540965?hash=item1c63beec25:g:CAEAAOSwAuNW8S6 P

do you think this is worth a look??? And price?..

Cheers ben

Davidg
20-05-16, 02:54 PM
What's your top max budget for the right car?

corn plaster
20-05-16, 02:58 PM
That's a forum members car,I put a link earlier.


Andy

Benthebuilder
20-05-16, 03:25 PM
Yes I saw the link and had a look spoken the guy really nice chap

Benthebuilder
20-05-16, 03:26 PM
And I had a cap at 20k but would spend a bit more for the right car

Davidg
20-05-16, 03:53 PM
I would suggest you look at the AK and Sumo at Hallmark cars and also http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C729961#

A I Don't know how far you will stretch, the Chevy powered Sumo looks nice at Hallmark but might be too far off your budget. The private sale Sumo on the link above looks ok, at the price quite reasonable with the chevy lump. But if you are happy with an RV8 that AK looks tempting, sure there is haggle room.

tigergreen
20-05-16, 04:18 PM
How about this GD? Seems very cheap at £22000 and open to offers.
Correctly registered too.
I guess it'll need a little work to get it totally up to scratch but then, when are these cars ever finished?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ac-cobra-/222119810049?hash=item33b75f5401:g:CzkAAOSwKfVXJMJ T

russell_ram2
21-05-16, 07:47 AM
Well I'd be looking at that GD before any Sumo or Viper in that price range . Needs some TLC, hence price I guess, but a much more "informed" choice. Shiney paint doesn't necessarily = nice car.

TINKA
21-05-16, 10:23 AM
I agree with Russell GD is one of the top brands and even if it needs a bit of tyding up and reposition the seat it is a far better bet unless it is really badly put together and has an engine on its last legs even then I would give it consideration.

Boxoftricks
21-05-16, 11:25 AM
How about this GD? Seems very cheap at £22000 and open to offers.
Correctly registered too.
I guess it'll need a little work to get it totally up to scratch but then, when are these cars ever finished?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ac-cobra-/222119810049?hash=item33b75f5401:g:CzkAAOSwKfVXJMJ T

GD all the way. Don't get fooled with a shiny looking car. Glass cars can with some basic prep be polished up to look great in a photo taken 20 foot away.

Engine - loads on here and most prefer a yank v8. The RV8 is also an amazing lump. Check it starts well from cold, if you are viewing and its pre warmed up wait till it's cold. Check for oil leaks. If the engine looks too clean compared to the rest of the car it's been cleaned for a reason. Is there a mix of oil and dirt on the underside of the car. Oil will be blown back under the car and mix with dirt. Don't be seduced by shiny chrome. Pull out the dip stick and check the oil is clean with no swarf in it. Open the oil filler and check there is no white oil. If water is getting into the oil there are potential gremlins. When you start it up check the oil pressure and temp gauge. Let her tick over on low revs, does she sound good? Any strange knocks or rattles?

Steering - turn lock to lock, and clanks or bangs and there are problems with the rack or tyre size.

Tyres - How old are they, check the codes. Over about 6 years and you might need to change them. Also check the speed rating. Some people put authentic looking period tyres on that are not legal. Old hard tyres will kill you. Are they the right size, they should fit in the arches not protrude out.

Chassie - it is rusty? Has someone just painted over the rust. Any additional welded that covers crash damage. Get the car up on a ramp. I test drove mine down to a local garage and the guys there were more than happy to pop her up on the ramp. It's amazing how helpful garages are when you drive up. On other cars previous to my cobra I've agreed to buy only if it passes an MOT that I paid for before buying the car. Lots of 'friendly' garages will give an easy ticket to their mates. It's a great cheap vehicle inspection and if any seller is not willing to let you do it walk away.

Suspension and shocks - are the shocks leaking oil? Expensive and a pain to swap out. Also what state are the discs in. A lot of theses cars do low miles so can have pitted discs from rust. Check the handbrake works well. The rubber gaiters and bushed can perish over time and be a mot fail.

Dash - look behind the dash, what state is the wiring in. It's often a good reflection of the build of the car. Look at the bits you normally can't see. Always take a torch or use your phone light. Check all the gauges and switches work.

exhaust - to answer your question can be a few grand to swap from under slung to side and is not that simple as you need to modify the bodywork and potentially change the headers. I went under slung for safety as my young kids could burn themselves on side pipes. The get real hot as you'll find out during the summer if you're wearing shorts!

Seat belts - make sure they are in good condition and securely attached to the car.

Hope that helps

Benthebuilder
21-05-16, 07:19 PM
Thanks again for all the help my hunt continues! Well I'm in a good position I have money ready to go just got to find the rite one! 😎