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31-08-03, 08:17 AM
Hi Folks

I have fitted the pilgrim clutch cable conversion to a rover LT77 and I thought it was all ok. When the engine is running i can operate the clutch and select all 5 gears and reverse and through the transmission tunnel can see the flange (back of gearbox) that will connect to the prop shaft (not yet fitted) spin round accordingly , i.e. gets faster when I change gears, turns in opposite direction when I select reverse,

My question is that the only time the flange stops turning is when the clutch pedal is pressed down, this I can understand. BUT, should the flange spin round when the gearbox is in nueteral with the clutch pedal out ? because mine spins round when no gears selected, or is it a case that this will not happen once the prop is fitted and the load from the diff will hold it still ? i did also notice that when in neuteral the flange spins faster when the engine is revved


' and it was going oh so well '

31-08-03, 09:14 AM
It may be that the cable is not adjusted correctly and there is some clutch drag.

However, it is also true that if you are running the engine/geabox without the rest of the transmission attached there will be very little load on the output shaft of the gearbox.
Even with the clutch disengaged there is still a certain amount of drag transmitted via the input shaft, which is connected to the end of the engine crankshaft. On most cars (depending on transmission layout) if you jack up both rear wheels and run the engine the wheels will turn slowly, even with the clutch disengaged.

To check: If you are able to reach the output flange of the gearbox, see how much load it takes to stop it spinning. I'm not sure how you would do this in your case, but obviously you need to find a method that is safe, does not mean that you have to hold it, and will allow the shaft to turn if the loading is so great that you are unable to stall it.


31-08-03, 06:02 PM
Evening Dave,
Anyone who reads this forum will know i had MAJOR problems with my clutch conversion, when i finally got it sorted i experienced exactly the same thing as you are but, when the prop was bolted on everything was as it should be so don't worry just go for it

Good luck :tu

31-08-03, 06:29 PM
Hi Tony

Thanks for the encouragement, I could not find your postings, so can you just confirm that you had the same problem i.e.even with the gearbox flange spinning, (also bear in mind it gets faster as I rev the engine) you found that when the prop was hooked up the problem went away, if so great,

Sorry to check again but I don't want to risk damaging the diff,


Dutch Paul
31-08-03, 07:18 PM
I used to have a mk3 Escort a while back and in winter especially(I think because the gearbox oil was so cold and thick) the car used to try to creep forward in neutral so on certain boxes it would appear that what you`re experiencing is nothing to worry about.

Just a thought


01-09-03, 06:17 AM
Morning Dave,
you'll find my posts under "clutch woes" on the pilgrim technical tips pages about two thirds down. yes i definitely found that the flange span without a prop fitted but went away when i fitted a prop! if you want to double check, start the engine in neutral, crawl underneath and using a file or emery paper etc press against the flange and with enough pressure you'll stop it spinning, do not use just your hand though, i used emery and cleaned the flange at the same time!!! bonus!!!! If you do use this method BE CAREFUL don't get your cuff etc caught in the spinning flange, make sure you have someone to help in case the engine needs turning off etc, on second thoughts forget the idea, I'd hate to think you'd got injured because of my idea. if you need any further clarification or re-assurance call me on 07966037661 :tu

04-09-03, 11:41 PM
To all you guys that replied,

Well I plucked up courage to ask someone to hold the flange while I started the engine and guess what with a bit of pressure on the flange it stopped spinning. Great, now to arrange to get a prop fitted and get the rolling chasis well and truly rolling.

Thanks again


' and it was going oh so well '

15-09-03, 11:18 PM
Just to let you know (and any future browsers), I have fitted the prop shaft and the chasis is now moving with the aid of my V8, bloody great.

Clutch works fine, reverse easy to get, 1st and 2nd ok, can't use the other gears coz I run out of driveway and garage.

today was indeed a moment to remember.


' and it was going oh so well '

16-09-03, 10:00 AM
You could always put the rear wheels up on axle stands. You can then test the other gears. I did this, and without exhasuts too. Great. :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

Tony B

16-09-03, 07:45 PM
er, i just extended my driveway to include the whole estate, if you know what i mean, so was able to test all my gears on my "new improved larger driveway" :tu

18-09-03, 12:46 PM
Or you could book an MOT at your local garage, Then you have all the space between you and it to get up in those gears. You just need to remember to take along an assortment of coloured flash lamps that your passenger can wave around to make surrounding traffic aware of your intentions :)

Dan ~ http://homepage.ntlworld.com/danny.mann/