New or Old??

[madjohnny]

Hi, have been keeping an eye on the discussions regarding how to acquire a non "Q" plate and was quite interested in the possibility of building new. GULP!!

Any details of the cheapest place for new parts or substitute parts instead of buying, for instance, a fuel tank from DAX can you fit a tank from another vehicle which would hopefully be cheaper.

Also how much of it needs to be new exactly, I know your allowed either one or two recon. main components but what about all the little tiny bits nuts, bolts etc.

Any help would great as I'm sure many of you have been down this same road!

Mad Johnny (Soon to be Cobra builder, if the builders ever finish my B****y garage!!!!)

[JimT]

Hi Johnny,

Take a look here: http://www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/regrebil.htm

My belief is that you need all 'major' components to be new, i.e. chassis, suspension, , axles, transmission, steering assembly, engine.

Quite a few kits are put on new plates which clearly don't use brand new parts, I think (and I'm guessing) that the retailers of such parts do the builder a favour by stating that parts are 'new' on the invoice when infact the correct statement should be 'reconditioned to as new'.

I'm sure someone whos done it can give you a more accurate answer.

Jim.

[sideoiler]

You don't need to build new to evade the dreaded "Q" as long as the majority of components come off the same car an age related plate will be issued post sva.I am sure some will be able to expand on this more accurately as mine was finished pre sva to avoid the pain

[madjohnny]

I know the the in's & out's of gaining an age related plate, but have seen a few peoples quotes that it's not that much dearer to build new as opposed to age related. Are we talking 1000's & 1000's or less, obviously a lot depends on how cheap the "NEW" parts can be obtained for hence my original question.

Thanks for your input though!

[kdavies3]

Hi Guys,
I registered my Dax in september last year with an age related plate, it was a 1984 'B' prefix.
I had no problems with that as long as all the major parts are supposedly from the donor
i.e. Steering, front and rear suspension, transmission.
I put down the engine as new, which it was. (V627/1)
When the paper work arrived a couple of weeks later I was intrigued to see that the first date of registration was 2002, so I assume I could have used a new reg?
As it happens I've now re-registered on a 1964 'B' suffix and am using black and silver plates to be in keeping with the period of the car.
Hope this helps.

[kdavies3]

PS until recently there was a new car tax of 10% of the cost of the car if registered as new, I believe this no longer is applied to kit cars.

Also a while back Dave (pro Dax Builder) Brookes did a list of sources for suitable parts for a Dax (other than Dax).
If you can't find it with a forum search, give him a call he doesn't bite (often)"v8cobra.co.uk"

Hope this helps.:+

[VinceGledhill]

In my opinion it is the parts on the V55-5 form which must be new.

To explain further...

Once you have had your SVA and are ready to register your kit. You need to get a couple of forms from the DVLA. One is the V55 and the other is the V55-5. On this second form is a list of major components. I believe that if you wish to gain a "new" reg then 4 out of the 5 of these items must be new. You can have one major component on this list "reconditioned" and still gain a new reg.

To be absolutely certain find out who inspects kit cars down at your local DVLA and make an appointment to see him. Then ask him what the rules are but I believe you will find out that I am right.

A newly registered kit, although with an age related plate will state the year of manufacture as the year in which you registered it. You will not be able to send the log book back and swap to a new 52 reg in this instance.

HTH

P.S. If you go that route then the "engine" could be the re-conditioned part of the build.

[dave]

Vince.
The second form you mention is a V672/1 not a V55-5

"In theory" you can't get a new reg these days because you can't get brand new Jag axles anymore so the only way would be to fit a new engine which would mean fuel injection and Kats etc............But there are ways and means.}( }( }( }( .

Mad Johnny.
There are 6 items listed on the V672/1 of which 2 must be from a single donor for you to retain an age related plate.

For a new reg just these items must be new (With the exception of the 1 recon item)so all the other bits can come from anywhere.
IE. If you have a reciept for a new steering rack then that is one taken care of.
You should have a reciept for the body/chassis (2)
If you have a reciept for new springs and shocks you have 3
If you buy enough axle components like discs, pads, ball joints,UJ's, bearings , seals, etc. etc. you might be able to blag your way through that lot as axles. Or you could order your axles from Ward Engineering and buy them for a "DAX TOJEIRO MK4" etc. I would recommend this route for buying just the components aswell. Get him to make out the reciept as "Supply axle assy components for Dax Tojeiro MK4" This should do the trick.(4)
You will need a reciept for a new gearbox, but things like the bell housing are not needed (surely you will have some sort of publishing software on your computer, so that shouldn't be a problem if you can't find your old reciept (If you know what i mean).(5)
And finally you will need a bunch of reciepts to show that you have reconditioned your engine, or just one from an engine reconditioner.(6).
And there you go, you now qualify for a new reg.

Easy when you know how.



Feel free to ring me if you have any further questions about this.
07785 702005

[Mole]

I think "new" means "new"! Every last nut bolt and washer with the exception of ONE major component which must have been reconditioned to "as new" standard! By "major" component, the DVLA means one of those from its list:

Engine, Transmission (yes, this is supposed to mean gearbox, prop, diff and half shafts!), Axles -front AND rear (whatever they are these days), "Suspension" - again front and rear or "steering assembly".

Now obviously loads of cars get new plates with lots of old bits made to look shiny again and for the most part, the Vehicle Registry Officers aren't that bothered and/or don't notice. If you fancy taking a gamble, use as many old components as you feel you can get away with and provide as many receipts for "new" stuff as possible. If you can persuade the manufacturer to give you a receipt for "new body and fitting kit" or something vague that could cover lots of assorted minor bits, it will help enormously. Whatever you do, make sure you have a fallback position whereby at least 2 major components came off a single UK-registered donor otherwise you'll get a "Q".

There's a load of articles on registering cars on www.totalkicar.com which might be of some use.

[osgood]

Johnny, you seem to be going the total new route which is good, donnors and second hand bits are a total waste of time. Take it from one who has been there!!!

Getting bits from a scrap yard requires several skills. Mounting climing to get to the sixth stack to get your bits.

Hand gliding leasons to get back down again.A leason in first aid to repair the damage you have caused getting the parts!!

Swamp training to get out of the grease & sh-----tt, then doing battle with the Pikey Bill whe runs the yard to agree a price.

Having got home the bits you have so carefully gathered are more shot than the ones you have. Never worth it chap!! Eric.x(