Changing Jag V5 to chevy engine

[bitsilly]

My understanding is that if I do the paper exercise of changing my Jag V5 to having a chevy engine then when it comes to applying for a reg plate the engine can count towards not getting a Q plate. Either way it can't do any harm!

Quick question though, with the new style V5 there is only space to fill in an engine number and cylinder capacity. Is this enough? Or will they need to know that it is a Chevy engine? For example, should I put GM before the engine number, or is there any other trick to this?

Cheers all

Ed

[dave]

Hi Ed.
You will not need to do this.
the DVLA are clamping down on this (Mainly due to the number of Sierras that are being fitted with 900cc engines (Fireblade etc) to get around the emissions laws.
So long as you have 2 of the 6 items listed on the V627-1 from the same donor vehicle then you are in the clear for an age related plate. If you get caught you are in for a "Q" and possibly a fine.
Surely your Axles and suspension and steering are from the Jag which are 3 of the 6 items and more than enough.

[bitsilly]

I have the axles both of which are lumped together as one item on that form, the suspension is Ram coil over shocks, the steering is MG!

I was recently told by the owner of Crendon cars (can't remember his name) that the engine change is the way to go. I would doubt that it would be seen as an avoidance of emmissions as I would be upping the cc to 5.7ltrs. That said I do not doubt you are right about a clampdown, the story of my life! But if I only have one item from that list am I heading for a Q?

***k*** B****** ***** *****.

[dave]

Suspension is not just springs and shocks. suspension is anything that is attached to the chassis at one end and the hub at the other, so Front upper and lower wishbones and lower rear wishbones and driveshafts are suspension, and who's to say you didn't take the springs and shocks from the Jag.
The steering refers to mechanical parts only so things like column switchgear etc don't count, just the shaft down the middle (An who can tell the difference at the reg office from am MG to a Jag.
Also part of your transmission is Jag too.....The diff.
BTW, What gearbox are you using?
Most people will give an opinion from either their experiences or what they have heard. my opinions are based on 98 registered Cobras (35 of which had to have 4 items from the 6 in the pre SVA days) and about half a dozen super sevens.
The engine route may still be the easiest option but WHEN it goes pear shaped there will be some seriously P****d off people. I just don't want you to be the first from the Cobra fraternity.
I think you would stand a better chance of not getting tripped up by the DVLA if you said you changed the jag gearbox from auto to manual..........That's if the Jag was not a manual in the first place. It it was then you are laughing.

The emissions thing is more to do with engine age that size. Most bike engines are way too new to put into a car (Post 1995 etc.). Fine on a bike but in a car must pass a cat test.

[bitsilly]

Just about to fit a new tremmec 600. The V5 says auto but there is no option for listing a change to manual anyway.

The impression I had for all of this was that the registration is purely a paper exercise, which is why the engine change is possible (ie engine number before matches number after so no problem). Is the car actually inspected as part of this process?

Good point about the diff and suspension etc.

When you say WHEN the engine thing goes pear shaped, are you talking about my licencing or an inevitable tightening up of the whole thing by DVLA?

What is the name of the chap who advertises in the mags who will do all your paperwork for £35 or something, would he be able to clarify things or are you clear already? Do you think I have enough as is to avoid a Q.

Sorry for being pedantic but I suddenly got a empty feeling about the whole thing when you said it is no longer recommended! At the end of the day I could cope with a Q but not because of a minor nomenclature issue!

As always, thanks for the help Dave.

[dave]

It is pretty much just a paperwork exercise but the V5 engine swaps are something they are on to and it is only a matter of time before they pick up on the 5.7/ 6.3 litre engine swap which will automatically send up some allert and a letter inviting you/ whoever to take their Jag for a VIC check. :ike I say they are already watching the bike enginwe Sierras even if they haven' pounced yet.
If you need something sorting on your SVA application post your question up her and it will be answered. I'll complete all your SVA paperwork for you if you like for half his price, or just ask me on here and i'll do it for free. That's a retired civil servant preying on peoples fears of the SVA system.
My opinion is "It's your money......"

Getting an age related number is much easier these days that it ever was before the SVA test, you'd have to really not care to end up on a "Q" nowadays.

[bitsilly]

Cheers Dave.

I wish it was my money!

Do you think the diff and drive shafts, suspension, rear axle, and brakes will do it? Not that many recent Rams to compare with but I would have thought GD's are exactly the same (and I'm sure they suggested the engine change at Donnington when I asked).


Am I really the only person to have been recommended to change the engine?????

[dave]

Changing the engine is a common practice and has been for a very long time, what I am saying is that the DVLA are on to it and it is more a case of when not if will they do something about it. In the same way that a couple of years ago you could cover your car on foam and duct tape to blag it through the SVA test, but not anymore as that loophole has been closed.
Take a look at the V627-1 (Can be found through the links page on this site).
The areas to complete are:-

Body and chassis (No good as yours are RAM and not Jag)
Steering. This could be a good one for you.
Suspension. Another good one
Axles front and rear. The best one.
Transmission. Safer than the engine swap if the Jag was a manual.
Engine. Nuff said already.

[steamyrotter]

Originally Posted by dave

Suspension is not just springs and shocks. suspension is anything that is attached to the chassis at one end and the hub at the other, so Front upper and lower wishbones and lower rear wishbones and driveshafts are suspension, and who's to say you didn't take the springs and shocks from the Jag.
The steering refers to mechanical parts only so things like column switchgear etc don't count, just the shaft down the middle (An who can tell the difference at the reg office from am MG to a Jag.
Also part of your transmission is Jag too.....The diff.

Dave

Calling upon your experience

If I had a cortina front subframe with hubs (but converted to coil over shocks), brakes, steering rack and modified column (lengthened) and the cortina rear axle complete with the swing arm arrangements and standard suspension set up am I covered??

(or can i get away with changing the front calipers to 4 pots. (i know it needs doing and have the bits) but will it affect the chance of getting age related?)

Its a rover V8 & Gearbox so cannot count that anyway!!
Cheers in advance

[dave]

Easy peasy.
The brakes don't count anyway.
All you need is 2 of the list below.


Body and chassis
Steering. extended or not it's still good.
Suspension. Still good even with coil overs
Axles front and rear.
Transmission.
Engine.

And you have more than that. in your axles, steering and suspension. (3)