Pilgrim Wiring Loom

[Dan]

I know this is a question that should be diverted to Pilgrim but I prefer posting to this site ...

I have the loom in position and have a few assorted issues.

1) I locked the relay blocks together and affixed to the chassis - Only to find later that the flasher unit (Not the Red relay nor the 2 relays used for the headlamp) is bigger than the block so will not fit (without preventing the relays either side from also fitting). I have extended the pins so it can locate but it looks untidy. Before I drill out the pop rivots, does any one know if a smaller flasher unit is avaiable? Whilst on the subject of the relays - each relay block on the loom has a number (1 to 4) which refers to a number on the wiring diagram supplied by Pilgrim - Noticed that block 3 had block 2's wires! Luckily I spotted this else I would have flashing headlights

2) I have a White and a Black/White cable that I have identified as being for the coil - Am I correct in assuming the White cable is to the positive on the Coil and the Black/White the Negative?

3) I have also found the feed to the distributor - Because I have opted for a seperate ignition module (Lumenition - and yes I'm still waiting for the correct fitting kit!) The distributor will be connected via that - Which makes the looms feed somewhat redundant! would it be safe to connect these 2 wires (destined for the distributor) together?

4) I read in the Build manual that there should be a Stop switch feed (I guess from the handbrake?) but can't locate the wire for this??!!? If such a wire is amongst the loom could someone indicate where I might find it? I'm guessing if it's to be anywhere it will be close to the main console area.

5) Does a kitcar need the bodywork to pass the SVA?

As always any input greatly appreciated

Dan 'Were all these nuts used before' Man
www.cobra.kitcar.btinternet.co.uk

[normanh]

HI Dan,

The stop light means Brake lights, the switch is mounted on the pedal box and the wires appear from the loom near the dash/steering column bunch,

I have a single wire to the handbrake lever which comes out from the loom near the heater cables and is very long compared to the rest!etc...

I worked out the colours as follows

white wire = +ve to coil via balast resistor (if fitted)
Also there should be a piece of cable, cant remember colour (loose in pack) that connects the soleniod +ve from the keyswitch to the coil bypasssing the resistor. This is because when the key is at position 3 (start) it provides full 12v to the coil during starting.
black white = return from -ve of coil for tacho

not sure what you mean as th feed to the dizzy, do you mean the return from the points as this goes to the negative on the coil.

I think this is right, & i hope this helps. no doubt someone will correct me! :7 :7 if I'm wrong.

Intersting idea, no body and flashing headlights......knew a girl like that once }>

[normanh]

Dan,

nice drawing...will have a good look in the morning and detail all the engine connections that I have.... :7

Your point 1.....not sure if the ford ign switch doesn't disconnect the green wire in position 3 (start)It does disconnect the Yellow (radio feed) . ..I'll check tomorow 4 u....

Point 2....could all three wires be needed for the dizzy sensor +ve, -ve signal?

Point 3, I agree with you here, my understanding is the power module amplifys the sensor signal to provide faster switching of the coil -ve, resulting in better output

Point4....should be OK to take from -ve of the coil, afterall it only needs a pulse very spark

I know what you mean about the loom drawing, I photocopied it a couple of times and spent a good amount of time trying to work it out.

I'll post the colours tomorrow

[Dan]

Thanks - I look forward to your post with anticipation

Dan 'Were all these nuts used before' Man
www.cobra.kitcar.btinternet.co.uk

[normanh]

Hi Dan,

just back from the fridge that was a garage.. and after checking with a battery charger and my trusty Fluke meter the colours I have connected are as follows:

White via balast (if fitted) to coil, the pilgrim drawing shows a link to the solenoid, but if your sure your coil is 12v then the white remains live during starting, except for a momentory break when turning the key from one position to the other...nothin to worry about <10mS

White/Black link from the points/module to the -ve of the coil (I think this may be the loose wire in the bag???)

The white / Black within the loom feeds the signal to the tacho from the -ve on the coil.

Your Lum mod should control the switching of the coil as you say and replace the points > coil link

I think you could use the white feed to the coil also to feed your module as it probably doesnt take much power itself.

Did you manage to sort out the three wires to the dizzy ? Without the sensor normally you'd only have one from the points, which is why I'm lead to think they may be all for the sensor.

Hope this helps. :7 :7 :7

[Dan]

Thanks Again Normanh for taking time out to help! much appreciated.
I believe I have a good understanding of whats what - It's simply a case of by fitting the lumenition ignition I have made the black/white cable from the pilgrim loom redundent.

As for the 3 wires from the power module - They do all connect to the sensor - Now if only I had the correct Distributor/Fitting kit I'd be cooking with gas

Dan 'Were all these nuts used before' Man
www.cobra.kitcar.btinternet.co.uk

[Dan]

Thanks normanh for your input



>not sure what you mean as th feed to the dizzy, do you mean the return from the points as this goes to the negative on the coil.


an Attempt to try and clarify:


I have been busy with the paint application (Again) and have come up with a plan wire diagram.

Key (to my diagram not actual wire colours):

Green blob = Distributor
Red Blob = The Coil
Blue square = Lumenition power module
Green wire = is the +ve from the loom
Blue wire = The wire from the distributor to the coil
Light Blue = The wire from the Loom to the distributor

I will explain my logic against a number - If any one knows different to what I believe then don't keep it to yourself

1) OK - in a normal install the +ve (green) wire would have a ballast resistor before connecting to the coil - but my coil is 12V so it connects direct

2) in a normal install the loom would be connected to the distributor (light blue/blue cables) - The Blue cable would then normally connect to the negative terminal on the coil... but my setup has the Lumenition power module which has it's own wires (It actually has 3 to the distributor but one of these is to power the optical sensor)

3) It's my understaning that the power module will ground the coil when a signal is received from the sensor. The positive taken from the coil to the power module is simply to power the sensor.

4) The big unknown is where does the Tacho fit in to this... Is it simple taken from the negative on the coil? Should I use a cable from the loom or would it be best to add a new cable direct from the rev counter to the coil?


I believe I still have a few more nights of pouring over the pilgrim wiring diagram. I swear that I can see faces looking back at me when I look at it for a long while x(


Dan 'Were all these nuts used before' Man
www.cobra.kitcar.btinternet.co.uk