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    MOT Problems. The bottom Line

    I received replies from the DVSA which should settle matters for anyone having problems with the MOT.
    Here is the email I received. (My Underlining)


    What we are trying to prevent here, is engines being changed for older variants thereby increasing the vehicles emissions since the time the vehicle was type approved as this is illegal on vehicles first used from 1 September 2002 under the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.

    In the case of a kit car, these are often approved with an older engine are and will therefore still tested to those ‘old engine’ standards as the engine has not been changed since its approval (SVA/IVA test).


    Therefore, if a 2003 kit car was IVA tested with a 1987 engine, it will be MOT tested to the emissions standard applied at IVA.


    Best regards

    Shaun Martin | Policy Specialist (Vehicle Testing and Roadworthiness)
    Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency | Berkeley House, Croydon Street, Bristol BS5 0DA

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    Thanks Ken
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    So is it the computer system the mot stations are using causing problems or the actual mot tester miss interpreting the rules and entering incorrect data?
    I have my MOT next week and really want to get as much info at the ready just in case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stokeflyer View Post
    So is it the computer system the mot stations are using causing problems or the actual mot tester miss interpreting the rules and entering incorrect data?
    I have my MOT next week and really want to get as much info at the ready just in case.
    The problem was the wording of the new MOT manual plus garages misinterpreting that faulty wording.
    If you take the post at the top to your garage that should give them backup to MOT your car, with emissions based on the year of engine but you must have some proof of the engine year
    Message me your email and I'll send you a copy of my email from DVSA complete.
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    Well done Ken, pleased for you.

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    Got mine soon too, how does the above apply for replica built to SVA in 2000 running a pre 87 Chevy? With no apparentl proof of age of block or any info in the V5??? I can see this causing a shedload of problems for a lot of.owners
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    I had my tin-top in to my local independent garage for it's MOT last week. I had a general chat with garage owner about the MOT changes. I told him there had been some concerns on the forums about emissions tests on Cobras and the like. He said "...they're always making changes,.. it's more for the newer vehicles". He suggested my Cobra wouldn't be a problem. I'm few months off getting my Cobra MOT'd but I was quite reassured that my garage seemed to be taking a realistic approach. Hopefully most will do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ-Notts View Post
    I had my tin-top in to my local independent garage for it's MOT last week. I had a general chat with garage owner about the MOT changes. I told him there had been some concerns on the forums about emissions tests on Cobras and the like. He said "...they're always making changes,.. it's more for the newer vehicles". He suggested my Cobra wouldn't be a problem. I'm few months off getting my Cobra MOT'd but I was quite reassured that my garage seemed to be taking a realistic approach. Hopefully most will do the same.

    Russ
    The way the recent MOT manual is worded is totally confusing as I pointed out to the Minister for Transports and the DVSA. Even now the basic premis is that V5c's should have the emissions levels put on them at Registration after the SVA, when, as I stated, they werent.

    NEALGS, You said.
    "Got mine soon too, how does the above apply for replica built to SVA in 2000 running a pre 87 Chevy? With no apparentl proof of age of block or any info in the V5??? I can see this causing a shedload of problems for a lot of.owners"

    Did you have an SVA test? if so the SVA number should and I say, should be on your V5c and your car should be tested to the emissions levels set at the SVA. If you had an SVA and the emissions arent on your V5 then you need to formally complain to the DVLA as I did.

    These problems were the main reason I fired off a pile of emails to the Prime Minister, Minister of Transport and almost everyone at the DVSA, as the DVLA showed that they couldnt find their arses with both hands. In the end my complaints obvioulsy got back to the DVLA as they, out of the blue, simply sent me a new V5c with the SVA emissions levels on the front of it in "Special Notes"
    Good luck. IIWY I would start sending emails now.
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    Hi Ken,

    Yeh, car was SVA'd in 2000 - don't recall any numbers on the V5c relating to SVA number - will double check tonite and see. No emissions details on V5c either from what i remember.

    may end up doing that - but will see how garage are, as they've been MOT'ing it since we've had it (nearly 10yrs)

    Gary
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    Quote Originally Posted by nealgs View Post
    Got mine soon too, how does the above apply for replica built to SVA in 2000 running a pre 87 Chevy? With no apparentl proof of age of block or any info in the V5??? I can see this causing a shedload of problems for a lot of.owners
    I’ll let you know on Friday, hopefully the email above will be enough to please the MOT station

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